UFOs, Religion, and Skepticism

Arose on earth brings with it notions of it arising out of, sourced from earth. Life arose out of/from God - in my perspective. Earth is a sideshow. But I suppose your right. I just wanted to dispel the notion of chance unless there was good reason to think of life arising by chance. You mean like this?7 Where can I go from your Spirit?
Where can I flee from your presence?8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there;
if I make my bed in the depths, [a] you are there.9 If I rise on the wings of the dawn,
if I settle on the far side of the sea....."Edited by iano, : No reason given.

No, like this:7 Where can I go from my Spirit?
Where can I flee from my presence?8 If I go up to the heavens, I am there;
if I make my bed in the depths, [a] I am there.9 If I rise on the wings of the dawn,
if I settle on the far side of the sea....."There you are. Dude.

Why do we always assume that any race capable of traveling across galaxies or the universe would come here and "not disturb us" ?Like all aliens have the prime objective, or something.Does that come from thoughts like, "only advanced races can only come to one conclusion, the greater good."Or does it come from the inner sense of God, his love, and heaven?There are no aliens, they would have taken us out long ago, and made way for the intergalactic highway. I got my toothbrush and towel.Maybe there is some invisible star wars happening right in front of our eyes, and we can't see it. They are fighting over our planet as we speak. There are good aliens, and bad aliens. The good aliens follow the prime objective and are protecting us. They just observe us without a trace. The bad ones come too, and even though they want our planet, they leave no trace either.We are the aliens, the aliens are us.

I agree with Sidelined...Any other complex life forms would be extremely likely to be Carbon based like ourselves, and would have to overcome all of these obstacles. In my opinion, if interstellar travel is possible it needs to be reasonable. These obstacles cannot be reasonably overcome with our current technology. It appears to be totally impractical for the time...That does not preclude another form of technology to make such a situation practical. But, I would personally assume that such a technology would be found by a search altogether different. In particular, that search would be different from our current motivations for even pursuing such goals.I think that by pursuing truth, all of these other things would be given in far greater abundance and capacity than we would have the imagination to search for...I think we have utterly missed the mark...

Yep.

We would certainly be deserving... And your reason serves you well... Such a highway (of sorts) is promissed. However, our alien neighbor/s are far more advanced than we. Particularly in the sense of patience and mercy. Mercy so pure and utterly bizarre to us, that when faced with such a being we crucified Him. And the catch, is that He came for that purpose.Too true to be simple fantasy!

I think we can accurately say that the term alien life is redundant.Life is alien!Death is quite the naturalised citizen!Prophetic tone intended...

From what I understand, we orbit one of appoximately 100 billion stars, in a universe of approximately 100 billion galaxies. That's a lot of stars, but few of them are life permitting (approx 10% as per our own galaxy). Of those 10%, there is a very narrow habitable zone around each sun. Of the planets in a habitable zone, only those with a magnetic shield (or other radiation shield) will permit life. Of those remaining, there is need for a moon to stabilize the tilt of the planet, so as to stabilize the atmosphere, and to help circulate the oceans. Which reminds me, you need a lot of water. You also need large Gas Giant planets to shield any life from too many impacts. You also need to place that whole Solar system within a very narrow Galactic Habitable zone. You need many other things as well...Documentary recommendation:
'The Privilaged Planet' (NASA scientists and astrobiologists discuss concepts totally foreign to the assumptions of 20th century cosmological amateurs and professionals alike)Amazon.comJust watch it...Ps. Did you catch the moral implications of your last sentance? We are all sinners...

If there were aliens visiting earth, they would probably behave the same way us white guys behaved when we "discovered" the "New" World: They'd sail their big canoes up to the beach, plant their flag and say, "We own this." Any of the local flora and fauna that disapproved would be enslaved or killed.

Or... They'd say, 'I and the Father are one'. 'If you have seen me, you have seen the father'. They would declare the truth and reveal the reality that they are taking back control of this joint. Then they would promise to return and do what you suggest they might. But they would not let us know when. And as a means of infallibly testing the honesty of each savage, and eliminating the patronizers, they would choose to reveal themselves through the spoken word and it's qualities of 'reason'. The key that unites reason with impericism and experience is justice and morality (i.e.virtue)as well as the desire for them with great longing. They are the only resolution to the incompatability of reason, and experience in a world of unreasonable savagery. If we do not accept the most obvious reality of morality, then we are not true in our hearts, and the rest of reality will remain a mystery.The equalizer of men is a perfect moral law, because all men if under God, are imperfect. All can understand, irrespective of background, so that only the honest will inherit the greatest prize; truth, and it's synonomous manifestation of reality.But in the mean time, they would be patient and self-secure enough(Agape)to give us a chance to think it over, before throwing us into the abyss. And they're domination would not be imposed, since they only intend to grant us our wishes even if we do not forsee the unforseen consequences of our own philosophies and assumptions. Nonetheless, we may have our own way, or they're way. They'd be ready to run to us as soon as we begin to think of repenting of our illusions of control, and they would mercifully open our eyes to a glimpse of their wisdom. Just a small dose of which almost blinds us in turn by it's briliance!If we continue to pursue that which is our own vice, and we condemn the vice of others, then who are we kidding beside ourselves?It is so obvious!Why do you have to stare at everybody like that?

My point was that aliens would probably do what we did (since we have no example but ourselves to compare them with). Us white guys certainly did not say, "I and the Father are one", so I don't know why your sermon is a response to me.

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For every solution there are costs incurred that must be taken into account which leads to another problem. Who builds the thing that will take you away from the planet to travel in space? Each person who is working on the project must be compensated and have the incentive necessary to send people on basically a one way trip, since even at the speed of light the effects of relativity will mean that the time dilation they experience will likely mean they never return to the planet they left in any reasonable time frame.

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Any trip from here would obviously be one-way. It would obviously require a ship that could independently sustain human and other life for at least hundreds of years as any thought of approaching the speed of light or beyond is truly beyond present-day physics. Such a ship would be very large and hard to move in order to accomodate a much larger population than Biosphere II, who I understand were on the verge of killing each other before the termination of the experiment. A different way of looking at the problem may be through, dare I say, human evolution. Subsequent generations appear to be content to sit before monitors playing video games, posting to various forums, and engaging in chat, rather than enjoying the wonders of nature. As to time dilation, it is a problem that may be viewed in two directions. Supposedly, if telomeres could be stopped from shrinking with age, humans could live 1000 years.Hundreds of years of video games may be considered paradise by some. Wait until holodecks for bliss (not guaranteed to be guilt free)

No we certianly did not say that. And that goes for all guys, not just white guys...They probably would if they were totally like us. I was simply stating another possibility... I mean maybe aliens exist and will come. Maybe not. Or, maybe they will not be like us at all. Or, maybe we are alone in the sense of our material universe. Maybe that which is alien is only partly other, in the virtuous sense. Or, maybe Christianity is not just a belief, but is true. Maybe Not! Or, whatever... Maybe! I'm too skeptical to believe all of these things are simultaneously true, so our interpretations must be meaningless to community, and only relevant to self.We're dealing with possibilites...Whatever the truth turns out to be, it will be what it is (which is interesting because God (reportedly) told Moses, 'I am, that I am.'). And since that is in fact undeniably and absolutely true, then we can know with certainty that the truth is absolute.Now if the truth is absolute, which it must be (whatever it is..) then suddenly a lot of people's beliefs about the unknowable nature of truth based on it's assumed relativity is turned upside-down. You cannot know what is relative, but can only feel or believe it.You cannot know a lie, you can only believe one.It is interesting that the only thing that can be believed and also known, is that which is absolute. For example... 1+1=2. We can know truth, because it is understandable, because it is reasonable. In that case (and I'm really digressing into the depths) the truth could exist in the form of spirit (other than material) at any time, including apart from time entirely. Time would not change it's absoluteness.If something as implicitly absolute as truth is knowable, (and you would have to state an absolute to deny that it is) then one could not find it if one was assuming that it was something it isn't (relative). But since we can know with certainty that if truth exists, that it is absolute; then, we have a reason to search for it. And if it is not absolute, then it is not knowable and our only search would be for imediate gratification now. And if that is the case, then we should immediately dispense with any illusions of right or wrong without exception...I think the anarchist would understand completely! But, even in that case I have to wonder, 'why do anarchists get so upset about what other people are doing'?I think the answers and implications are clear... If you disagree, that is fine with me. I am simply trying to turn what I perceive as irrelevant, into that which is utterly relevant.ps. We are all preaching when we are not searching to fill the void. For when we are not searching to fill the void, then we are beholding what has filled it. And anything that good, must be shared or another part of the void (community) will remain empty...UFO's, Religion, and skepticism...

Either they would choose to disturb us (by making contact out side of Shitkick, USA or the like), orNot make contact (likely with any FTL culture) at all, orI don't imagine they would try to be secret and then fail over and over again.

Sounds like a plot for a comedy show, like Mork from Ork, or I dream of Jeanie.People assume the only direction we can ultimately head with our world, is one of peace, and that any civilization advanced enough to travel here would come in peace, and not want to be seen.What if we travel to another planet and find life? Are we going to approach them?I also should add that not everyone thinks aleins come in peace. Some people claim to have been abducted and not treated nice. I saw some kind of explanation for this once, that people could actually be dreaming these things, and they appear so real, because the brain is not ahndling the dream correctly, and confusing dreams with reality.I have seen a lot of people call these aliens "the grays". Even people that supposedly have not talked to each other about it.

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