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Topic: Believers... Question?
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nyenye
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Message 1 of 45 (356542)
10-14-2006 7:31 PM
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I have always wondered this, just as an honest question... If I were to get in a crash with my best friend tonight, and we both died; I believed in God and he didn't. I went to heaven and he went to hell; how could I be happy in heaven without my friend? Tell me your opinion, just curious.
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AdminPD
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Message 2 of 45 (356543)
10-14-2006 8:07 PM
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Thread moved here from the Proposed New Topics forum.
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5930 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 3 of 45 (356569)
10-14-2006 10:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by nyenye
10-14-2006 7:31 PM
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My died when I was 6 (long story) but I know he's not in heaven (according to my faith). I accept the fact that he made his choice. Its as simple as that. As far as how I will be happy in heaven without him, I rather think it would be like trying to explain color to a blindman or what a sphere looks like to a 2 demensional creature.
Next time I am too lazy, next time I am too tired, Next time I don't have enough[/url] time....
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Chronos
Member (Idle past 6479 days) Posts: 102 From: Macomb, Mi, USA Joined: 10-23-2005
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Message 4 of 45 (356573)
10-14-2006 10:55 PM
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Because memories are stored in your brain. When you die and your brain deteriorates, any memories of your friend go poof. So, if some ethereal part of "you" goes on to prepetual pleasure, it won't be anything like you. Edited by Chronos, : Because I felt like it.
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nyenye
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Message 5 of 45 (356575)
10-14-2006 11:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 4 by Chronos
10-14-2006 10:55 PM
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Does that mean everything in this life is fake, or rather, not worth anything?
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nyenye
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Message 6 of 45 (356578)
10-14-2006 11:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 3 by Tal
10-14-2006 10:28 PM
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interesting comparison!
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Madfish
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Message 7 of 45 (356581)
10-15-2006 12:25 AM
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Reply to: Message 4 by Chronos
10-14-2006 10:55 PM
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Then why should anyone place any value on such an afterlife? Why even worry about it? Our memories are an essential part of what make us us. In your scenario, I would not pass to an afterlife, but rather some metaphysical essence or something. Seems rather pointless to me.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 665 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 8 of 45 (356587)
10-15-2006 1:33 AM
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Reply to: Message 1 by nyenye
10-14-2006 7:31 PM
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The main selling point for an "afterlife" has always been the "paradise" angle, the idea that everything will be perfect and wonderful. As Larry Gatlin said:
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Will they have Mogen David in heaven, Sweet Jesus
If they don't, who the hell wants to go.
Edited by Ringo, : Shift key ain't workin'.
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5930 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 9 of 45 (356588)
10-15-2006 1:35 AM
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Reply to: Message 7 by Madfish
10-15-2006 12:25 AM
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Your body is your flesh, blood, bone, and all that good stuff. Your spirit is just like your body, only in the next demension. Demons and Angels fall in that category. Call it the 4th demension. Spirits can interact with each other just like bodies can here. They follow rules and laws just like in every other aspect of life. Your soul is your mind, will, and emotions. It isn't tangible. Death is when your spirit and soul separate from your body. Biblically speaking. Or we are simply an act of random mathematics.
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anglagard
Member (Idle past 1090 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: 03-18-2006
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Message 10 of 45 (356591)
10-15-2006 1:48 AM
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Reply to: Message 8 by ringo
10-15-2006 1:33 AM
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Reminds Me of a Similar Perspective
I don't remember which band did this, but they played it in CA in the 70s on the radio. Here is the last lyric:
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What's paradise like, here's my idear, red hot women and ice cold beer. What's the other place like, here's my idear, ice cold women and red hot beer.
Always found it a bit amusing. Can't find the source in a cursory search of Google.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 665 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 11 of 45 (356593)
10-15-2006 1:54 AM
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Reply to: Message 10 by anglagard
10-15-2006 1:48 AM
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Re: Reminds Me of a Similar Perspective
anglagard writes: Can't find the source in a cursory search of Google. *Ahem* First hit. 
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anglagard
Member (Idle past 1090 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: 03-18-2006
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Message 12 of 45 (356594)
10-15-2006 2:00 AM
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Reply to: Message 11 by ringo
10-15-2006 1:54 AM
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Re: Reminds Me of a Similar Perspective
Probably would help to spell as proper instead of as heard. Thanks. (NRPS should have remembered/known). Edited by anglagard, : NRPS not NRPR, must have been thinking of the radio source too much
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 669 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 13 of 45 (356629)
10-15-2006 7:43 AM
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Reply to: Message 1 by nyenye
10-14-2006 7:31 PM
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My faith says that you cannot get to heaven except through Jesus. Believing in Jesus has many definitions according to the bible. I don't know if it is all of them, or part of them that matters. I know what matters for me. My faith also says we have no right to judge, or we shouldn't judge, unless we want to be judged in the same way. Jesus came to save, not judge. I don't neccessarily believe your friend would go to hell, or even that you would go to heaven. I'll leave that up to God.
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nator
Member (Idle past 2423 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 14 of 45 (356632)
10-15-2006 7:49 AM
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Reply to: Message 9 by Tal
10-15-2006 1:35 AM
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Excuse me, but can you please quote the bible passages that explicitly mention the 4th dimension? Equations would be a bonus.
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Archer Opteryx
Member (Idle past 3851 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: 08-16-2006
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Message 15 of 45 (356633)
10-15-2006 7:55 AM
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Reply to: Message 10 by anglagard
10-15-2006 1:48 AM
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Re: Reminds Me of a Similar Perspective
quote:
They say that heaven is like TV:
a perfect little world
that doesn't really need you
and everything there is made of light
and the days keep going by Here they come
Here they come
Here they come . . .
Laurie Anderson 'Strange Angels'
Archer All species are transitional.
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