On this day, let us all be proud of America

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On this day, let us all be proud.

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Dude, I am proud. I am proud that this country is capable of doing what it just did. I am glad that this is a milestone step in removing racism. I feel good now knowing that people like Al Sharpton stepped up to the plate and said, "now a black man has no excuse". I am happy for all black people, and hope that they take the spirit of what happened, and move forward, as well as white people, and all in between.I am not happy that Obama is president, because of who he is, not what he is. I hope he does well for this country. One thing for sure is that the liberal kiss-ass media well never portray him as being wrong. Obama can do no wrong, mark my words. It's an Obamanation.Anyone who doesn't get what I just said, screw off.

I know argument by link is not generally accepted. Anyhow, here is a sampling of liberal media that is not happy with Obama:Obama on nationalization - The New York Times
Adjustments downward - The New York Times
Appeasing the centrists - The New York TimesOpinion | What About the Census? - The New York Times
Opinion | The Travails of Tom Daschle - The New York TimesThis is all from the new york times. That oft cited "librul rag". Other opinion page columnists have been calling out Obama (and no, not just David Frum) as well.The last link may have been one of the things to defeat Tom Daschle, as the NYTimes called for his head. The same day, I think, Tom Daschle had resigned his nomination. This, of course, was after the senate had predicted he would eventually be confirmed.The Daily Show is unabashedly liberal. And yet, it has not been kind to Obama either. Not technically news media, but certainly liberal media.I'm sure there are numerous other examples of liberal media taking Obama to task. I just don't have the time to read every paper in the country.

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I know argument by link is not generally accepted. Anyhow, here is a sampling of liberal media that is not happy with Obama:

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Thanks for pointing that out. I fear that is not the norm though.
Katie Couric is the leader of the pack.Some analist at NBC decided to say that Bush's legacy will depend on how Iraq turns out. But what chance does Iraq have now that we have an administration who's main goal is to pull out, regardless of outcome?I also find it ironic how all these democrats who tout about taxes, and taxing the rich, yet when they get rich, they dodge. Too funny. Lead by example I always say.

Now, this is not a fair statement and you know it. Might as well say "I also find it ironic how all these republicans who tout about their anti-gay propagandas and then go out emailing imappropriate sex contents to underage teenage boys..."Every herd has a black sheep.The other reason why your statement is unfair is they're not saying they want to tax the crap out of the rich. Some of us believe fair share means more than every person paying a buck regardless of how much money the person has. Remember Jesus' question about who gave more to charity when he saw a poor woman putting in some coins and a rich man putting in a whole bag of coins?Someone making 16k a year paying 1k of tax and someone making 160k a year paying 1k of tax ain't fair share.

Hi Riverrat, The "analist" who said that is a retard. Bush lied a country into war. Bush murdered nearly a million innocent women and children with illegal weapons. Bush has greatly INCREASED the risk of terrorism in the world. Whether Iraq turns into an utopia or not tomorrow, Bush is a war criminal who should hang.

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Cogito, ergo Deus non est

Does anyone else get the impression that this administration is saying:"I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."Quote Details: Ronald Reagan: The nine most terrifying... - The Quotations Page

It is a fair statement, and so is yours. It seems almost all politicians are black sheep to some degree. I want to start a revolution. But most likely I am just ignorant.

Yea, that's a great philosophy, and that's all it is.just remember, there is an enemy who hates you for thinking the way you do, and is more than happy to kill you while you sleep just so he can get some virgins in heaven.

This, of course, is absurdly false. Most terrorists probably aren't concerned with how or what you think. Nor are they doing it so they can gain a rather ephemeral reward in the afterlife. Tell me, would you die for a cause because it would ensure a spot in your heaven? Most likely not. You would die for the cause, not the reward.As to why they are fighting against us, a good long look at what we did in afghanistan in the 80s would be good. Also seems that bin Laden was never very happy about infidels setting foot inside of Saudi Arabia. It's not because we're free and they want to take it away. It's because we're the occupiers, the meddlers, the people who screwed them over time and time again. That's a basic theme you will find in all terrorist organizations--the other side did something to them, and they see only terror as the method to achieve their aims.Is this really so hard for people to understand? Or does it stem from the "US can do no wrong" attitude?

Oh my freaking god! You know, I've kept in touch with the liberal media all during the election and after. Constantly, the liberal media was pointing out how Obama isn't going to automatically implement progressive policies, and that we are going to have to keep the pressure on him if we really want him to implement the reforms that we want and to keep the promises, explicit and implicit, that he made.You really need to get out of that right wing echo chamber that you live in and look at what is happening in the real world.

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Speaking personally, I find few things more awesome than contemplating this vast and majestic process of evolution, the ebb and flow of successive biotas through geological time. Creationists and others who cannot for ideological or religious reasons accept the fact of evolution miss out a great deal, and are left with a claustrophobic little universe in which nothing happens and nothing changes.
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This, of course, is absurdly false. Most terrorists probably aren't concerned with how or what you think.

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Well it's off-topic, but if your not with them, then you are against them. Remember, they are radicals. Their attitude is no different than some Christian religions. Only that they carry out acts of violence and kill people instead of just screwing with your mind.

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Oh my freaking god! You know, I've kept in touch with the liberal media all during the election and after. Constantly, the liberal media was pointing out how Obama isn't going to automatically implement progressive policies, and that we are going to have to keep the pressure on him if we really want him to implement the reforms that we want and to keep the promises, explicit and implicit, that he made.

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Well I never heard that, not once. I am not saying that the liberal media is going to praise him 100% of the time. But they have him as a star already. Even when they are putting "pressure" on him, it's with a light foot, and staged. I was watching hardball with Chris Matthews, and he was interviewing Nancy Pelosi about everything the dem's are trying to do. I seriously thought they were going to make out before the interview was over.I get the feeling that bi-partisanship in the minds of the Republicans, is to meet the dem's half-way, and bi-partisanship in the eyes of the dem's is for the rebup's to give into them.I also feel that our current economic crisis, had nothing to do with "Bush's policies" and our current President can nothing to correct it.I do feel that certain private business needs regulation, especially ones that hold the future of American's in the balance of their success, and more stability on the price of oil would be key in keeping the world's economy stable.

I get the feeling that other people get the feeling that this works both ways and it rather depends on the issue under discussion and the specific 'reps' and 'dems' in the discussion and that there are people on each side that ignore it when the other side genuinely compromises on a certain issue. And I feel that if the economy had been doing really well, we'd be hearing people telling us that they feel that "Bush's policies" have lead to prosperity and economic wonders. And you also feel that the policies of Bush (or those in his administration) have had nothing to do with lowering regulation of certain businesses that hold the future of Americans in the balance of their success? Do you feel that anything Bush might have done might have had an impact on unstable oil prices?Sometimes I watch American news, and I am often appalled by the editorialising I see where hosts prefix things with 'I feel...', 'It seems to me...', why the aversion to supporting things with some argumentation and evidence? For all their hatred of 'moral relativism', there seems to me to be what I feel a certain (and this is just my belief) 'factual relativism' in the common discourse of the States. It's not unique to the USA, of course, but I wondered if you had any thoughts on that?

Hi Mod,Mod writes: Hi Mod,Recently, I presented evidence in another thread that showed Americans are profoundly indifferent to facts and are apathetic to other's suffering. *Ahem* I guess Riverrat is also presenting this type of evidence too. Why is this? I don't think it can be boiled down into just one reason. But IMO, these two explanations cover most of it:1. 90% believe in a personal god, thus Americans are childish. Many are anti-science fanatics who indulge in wishful thinking like "Intelligent" design blather. Discussions on TV are usually settled by whoever talks the loudest. Americans are somehow permanently taught that opinion is of greater value than facts. Throw in extreme lack of curiosity. What chance does science/critical thinking have in an environment like this?2. Our "genetic" makeup of people who founded the country. Early Americans stole land from "savages" and slaughtered them by the millions. That mentality hasn't changed. The American industrial military complex continues to lead the world, both in costs and creative ways to murder people. It's NEVER a concern when Americans vote. Philippines, Vietnam, Cuba, Palestine, Iraq, etc, etc, etc . . . Americans just don't care what suffering we directly cause.Mix extreme apathy and dumb = AmericanJust my thoughts

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That's because you don't read anything written by actual liberals or anyone else on the left. If you want to know what real liberals think, I can offer some suggestions, like reading The Nation. Or you can just continue to watch TV and pretend that it represents "liberal" thinking.- Actually, that is exactly what you did say.When your communication consists mainly of hyperbole and snarky comments, there is apt to be some kind of miscommunication. Maybe if you were to actually try to make your points using reason and facts rather than appeals to emotion and hyperbole.- Okay, you see, this is exactly what I'm talking about. I have no idea what you actually saw and so it is difficult to even begin to know how to respond.That said, considering that we have just finished with the worst President since WWII, maybe even since the founding of the Republic, I can believe that some people are excited about having a real President who is actually intelligent, cares about people, and who might even be able to put together rational public policies -- excited enough to get carried away in their own hyperbolic statements.I might also suggest that you don't get your news from TV. Sound bites given by politicians and PR people and reporters reading the press releases given to them verbatim isn't really "news".- Does anyone else here like Tom Tomorrow?