Tal's Iraq War: Blood for Oil, Oil for Food, Food for Thought

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Are you noticing a pattern, yet, contra? You accuse me of objecting to WHAT you say. I then tell you that I usually AGREE with most of the content of what you say, but that the WAY to present it, filled with spleen-venting and rudeness, is objectional.

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You then tell me that I am trying to censor you or that I object to your ideas. Lather, rinse, repeat, repeat, repeat

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Becuase that is correct. Right above you are objecting to the use of Nazi and murderer despite the fact they are quite accurate. So, you are NOT agreeing with my ideas, you are rejecting them out of hand, and arguing I should not discuss them at all. THAT is the issue, and you are repeating fictions.

I now await an apology from FliesOnly for slandering me and for claiming that my arguments are prima facie absurd.

Contracycle:So as not to be considered rude, I will reply.Apparently you don't read. In post #193 I said: I am now done with this thread.

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I am now done with this thread.

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Thank you for your courtesy.I now note the total absence of traffic on this thread. Having persistently complained of a lack of analysis, Schrafinator flees as soon as it is provided. This demonstrates pretty firmly that allegations of rudeness are simply a stalking horse behind which to conceal the outright and baseless rejection of a developed critique.The whole farago has been a complete sham.

You simply rejected what people had to say, and did so repeatedly. Both are fallacies. To think that the fact people have given up trying to talk to you means their comments had no merit, is just another fallacy.You may in fact be right, but there simply is no way of telling. For my money, people just gave up. I certainly am.This message has been edited by holmes, 01-25-2005 11:50 AM

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)"...don't believe I'm taken in by stories I have heard, I just read the Daily News and swear by every word.."(Steely Dan)

Have a nice time on that little mountain, shouting to nobody but yourself, contra.

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You simply rejected what people had to say, and did so repeatedly.

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Yes, I rejected people telling me I ha no right to my opinions, and that they certainly knew I was only saying things for effect. And rightly so.

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To think that the fact people have given up trying to talk to you means their comments had no merit, is just another fallacy.

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I said nothing of the kind. What I said was that jaw jaw is better than war war. If you choose not to discusss issues, then others will be compelled to action. Thats the way it works.This message has been edited by contracycle, 01-26-2005 07:50 AM

Yeah, like that. Good example.

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)"...don't believe I'm taken in by stories I have heard, I just read the Daily News and swear by every word.."(Steely Dan)

Well it appears that members of the Bush and Clinton administration... let me repeat one of those names B-U-S-H... were complicit in allowing Saddam to sell oil illegally and reap money.Here is an article. It's facts seem to be in order. Yes Tal, I am jumping on this one...
CNN.com - Documents: U.S. condoned Iraq oil smuggling - Feb 2, 2005So now what is your story?

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)"...don't believe I'm taken in by stories I have heard, I just read the Daily News and swear by every word.."(Steely Dan)

On top of the shocking news that the US approved illegal oil sales which padded Hussein's pockets, the investigation into the Oil for Food Program has been completed and a preview of that investigation counters Tal's claims regarding the UN. Here is a link to the full story.Here are are the major interesting tidbits... So it is not that the UN normally functions like this, it is that rules that are part of the UN were not followed in this case. Hmmmm. So it looks like maybe they were interested in getting to the root of any problems. Hmmmm.Gee, that sounds a lot different than those guys Bush and Cheney who refused to be investigated on potential conflicts of interest regarding the shaping of US energy policy, huh...Guess I should go find out what Fox has to say about all this, so I'll know what to think.

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)"...don't believe I'm taken in by stories I have heard, I just read the Daily News and swear by every word.."(Steely Dan)