On Judging Others

My "persona," whatever that is, is totally irrelevant to the comment about veterans.

The subject was such things as the mistaken term "Indians," not namecalling, or something like "Koran" for "Qur'an" and "Peking" for "Beijing." Liberal snootiness. {edit: There's even some of that liberal moralistic huffiness about the term "blacks" instead of the hyphenated divisive "African-Americans," despite the fact that it was a term chosen by black militants themselves.}And now how about an acknowledgment of your error in Message 44.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I think the point of the prohibition you are talking about can be summarized in a different injunction: "minding your own business".In other words there are judgments that we have to make because they concern yourself and others, and there are judments which are really just butting into other people's business.The injunction "not to judge others" is largely a Christian one and naturally therefore refers to butting into matters which are properly a concern only between a person and his God and is nobody else's business.To pick on several controversial examples:The lifestyle of a homosexual is certainly no business of someone who is not homosexual, unless it is a close family member (like a heterosexual partner). The more difficult exception is the case that the person is clergy in a religion that considers homosexuality a sin rather than a characteristic of birth, since in this case there is a conflict of fundamental beliefs.Once a man beating his wife was considered nobody's business but fortunately this attitude is changing. Women are no longer considered property and it becomes the business of everyone to uphold the rights of women against abuse.Yes employers must judge employees, but the common use of inappriate criteria has made judgement based on issues which are none of the employer's business (like religion) unacceptable and illegal.

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The subject was such things as the mistaken term "Indians," not namecalling, or something like "Koran" for "Qur'an" and "Peking" for "Beijing."

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None of these are names for foreigners, Faith, so that couldn't be what we were talking about.Come on, can't you admit to the simple, obvious, common sense truth that western names for foreigners have traditionally been quite perjorative and demeaning, and that this well-known truth is what those "western liberals" are talking about?

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Liberal snootiness. {edit: There's even some of that liberal moralistic huffiness about the term "blacks" instead of the hyphenated divisive "African-Americans," despite the fact that it was a term chosen by black militants themselves.}

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You must hang out in much, much more liberal "snooty" locations and people than I do. If you lived in Berkely, than I suppose that's a possibility.Of course, you wouldn't be trying to say that all liberals everywhere would agree with or support the nonsense you say has happened to you, do you?I mean, that would be like saying that all conservatives support state-sponsored display of the confederate flag, which would be untrue.Of course, the confederate flag issue is far more common and widespread that the foolishness you describe.

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And now how about an acknowledgment of your error in Message 44.

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How was I in error?And do you include the Egyptians in the white race? What about Israelis? Turks? Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.

My reading of Message 44 is that you mistakenly thought that the list given was all covering (comprehensive?) when it reads to me as examples indicating some of the breadth.

Well, OK, but I asked what the white race was, and I got a rather vague response.I mean, I have no idea what "white race" means to Faith.

There was nothing vague about my response. See Message 48 and Message 50. You misread my answer.I defined the white race as European and I gave the boundaries of the area of their origin. I regard that area as definitive. But as usual you are merely changing the subject because what I think the white race is happens to be TOTALLY irrelevant. The topic is that strain of leftism that identifies the white race as the cancer of history and you need to ask THEM, not me.And no, there is no excuse for the bullying tyrannical moralistic self-righteous tactics of PC, otherwise known as the Thought Police or Big Brother.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

There are 2 injunctions not to judge. One is Christian and the other is a part of political correctness. They are different from each other."Minding your own business" might apply to the Christian view. I'm not sure. A Christian might address that point.I don't think it applies to the view of PC.

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I defined the white race as European and I gave the boundaries of the area of their origin. I regard that area as definitive.

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OK, I understand you to mean that Europeans are "the white race".So, not Egyptians or any other genetically caucasian people, right?Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.

I do not want to discuss genetics. This is just irrelevant pedantry. Ask the leftists if they include Egyptians in the denunciation of the white race as the greatest evil on the planet and I would venture the guess that they don't. That is all that matters here.

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I do not want to discuss genetics.

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Of course you don't, because that would be too factual and limiting to your typical penchant of pulling stuff out of your backside and declaring it true.

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This is just irrelevant pedantry. Ask the leftists if they include Egyptians in the denunciation of the white race as the greatest evil on the planet and I would venture the guess that they don't. That is all that matters here.

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OK, I'll ask them.Er, who should I ask?You seem to know who all of these "leftists" in the US are.Are they the same "leftists" who give more conservatives and Republicans than liberals and Democrats seats and voices on their political discussion shows on the "liberal" media?

Of, course the extent of the "white race" is not bounded by Europe. Once again you might want to be more careful about your facts.

Sorry but historically AND SPECIFICALLY WITH REFERENCE TO THE TOPIC UNDER DISCUSSION it is defined as European and I don't give a damn about the kind of "facts" you all make such a nitpicking big pedantic deal out of in your crabbed pinched and myopic manner here at EvC. On a COFFEE HOUSE thread about a PHILOSOPHICAL topic for crying out loud. Get real.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Thank you for the totally gratuitous personal attack. In future I will try even harder to avoid you.

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In future I will try even harder to avoid you.

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...which is what you must do, when you cannot debate.