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obvious Child
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Message 61 of 109 (454384)
02-06-2008 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Buzsaw
02-02-2008 9:32 PM


Re: Buz, do you know who these men are?
quote:
John McCain, the pseudo Republican
Therefore you believe Republicans stand for:
1) Massive government on an size unseen since WW2
2) Massive government intervention in our private lives dictating morality to us even in our private bed rooms
3) Massive government debt that is approaching 100% of the GDP
4) More foreign interventions that were, when Clinton was in office, attacked by Republicans who statements could be applied without editing to Iraq.
5) Massive government spending
6) Government bailouts of corporations and industries
7) Protectionism in non-vital industries such as steel
8) Applause of an representative who slept with an hooker but giving the cold shoulder to an man who allegedly was gay
9) Having an high profile republican authority over an department in which he abused for his own pleasure and covering up his abuses for at least 4 years (foley anyone?)
10) Okay and thumbs up to torture that violates the basic moral principles of the nation and external treaties signed by this nation
That's just for starters.
Yeah, fake-Republican eh?
You sure that's not an bad thing?

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skepticfaith
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Message 62 of 109 (454401)
02-06-2008 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Buzsaw
02-05-2008 8:48 PM


Re: Racism or sexism: the dilemma of Afro-American women
quote:
It was the immature impressionable yute who were significant in bringing Hitler to power in Germany.
It seems like the yute are voting Mcain too . And isn't he the guy talking about WAR all the time?
At least Obama claims he would withdraw the troops.
Not that I like Obama (I believe in conservative spending, 1 & 2nd amendment issues)
but if you want to bring this Hitler analogy I think Mcain seems to fit more.

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Taz
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Message 63 of 109 (454444)
02-07-2008 1:54 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by Parasomnium
02-05-2008 5:33 PM


Re: Racism or sexism: the dilemma of Afro-American women
Para writes:
Does anyone else see the strangeness of this situation?
Frankly, I'm appalled that you actually thought this single woman actually represented the view of more than a few people.
Sure, there are people that will vote against Obama solely because he's black. Sure, there are people that will vote against Hillary just because she's a woman. Sure, there are people who will vote against McCain just because he's old. But does any of these actually surprise you?

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Parasomnium
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Message 64 of 109 (454449)
02-07-2008 3:40 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by Taz
02-07-2008 1:54 AM


Re: Racism or sexism: the dilemma of Afro-American women
Taz writes:
Frankly, I'm appalled that you actually thought this single woman actually represented the view of more than a few people.
What single woman? In the news item several woman were interviewed, and mention was made of the dilemma of the group of Afro-American Democrat women.
Sure, there are people that will vote against Obama solely because he's black. Sure, there are people that will vote against Hillary just because she's a woman.
I think the words 'racism' and 'sexism' triggered too hasty a reaction in you, and you glossed over what I said.
I'm not talking about people who vote against Obama because he's black, I'm talking about Afro-Americans who vote for him because he's black. Likewise, I'm talking about women who vote for Clinton, because she's a woman. And I'm talking about Afro-American women, who, according to the news item, are facing a dilemma because they find themselves in both groups.
My argument is that if you vote for Obama, solely because his skin is roughly as dark as yours (which is about all there is to race), then, even though it could be seen as a positive action, it still amounts to racism: you are making a judgment about a person solely on the basis of his race. And the same argument, mutatis mutandis, can be made about sexist voting. Racism and sexism, whether positive or negative, should have no place in the determination of who is going to be in charge of your country, because they are going to have to deal with a lot more issues that just those two. A much broader view of their promised policies is what should inform your choice.
I understand and agree with arguments about equal opportunities and all that, and that it would be good if a black person or a woman would become president for a change, but the first thing I thought when I saw the news item was that it is ridiculous to choose a president on the basis of the colour of his skin, just as you would not choose a president on the basis of the size of, say, his ears.
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skepticfaith
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Message 65 of 109 (454533)
02-07-2008 2:40 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Parasomnium
02-07-2008 3:40 AM


Re: Racism or sexism: the dilemma of Afro-American women
quote:
olely because his skin is roughly as dark as yours (which is about all there is to race), then, even though it could be seen as a positive action it still amounts to racism
Since this is an evolution forum - I believe there was a study conducted that showed EVEN white people tend to feel more comfortable around those of their own kind.. (I believe a series of slides of different people were shown) .
So this kind of 'racism' is actually a natural response. Black people just feel far more comfortable expressing this consciously.
This can be seen in other animals that choose mates within their own subspecies or group.
I would also debate that there is far more to race than skin color but I prefer not to - the notion of absolute equality is rooted in ideology and best left alone ..)

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Parasomnium
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Message 66 of 109 (454564)
02-07-2008 4:52 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by skepticfaith
02-07-2008 2:40 PM


Re: Racism or sexism: the dilemma of Afro-American women
skepticfaith writes:
Since this is an evolution forum - I believe there was a study conducted that showed EVEN white people tend to feel more comfortable around those of their own kind. [...] So this kind of 'racism' is actually a natural response.
I have no problem with this, I tend to agree that this response has evolved in us, like many other aspects of our behaviour have done. But I also agree with Richard Dawkins that we are now at a crossroads in our development. We, as the first species in the history of life on earth, understand how we came to be, that we are the result of a nearly endless chain of selfish genes. And we are also the first species who can actively fight some of our baser instincts, because we have found out, on a rational level, that there is no longer any real basis, or any real need for those ancient responses, now that we've evolved into a world-building social species. In other words: in the 21st century you shouldn't choose your president by the colour of his skin, or by the shape of her sexual organs.
Black people just feel far more comfortable expressing this consciously.
Just like black people also have more sense of rhythm, right? You probably don't want to, but you are using a broad brush here. It's probably one of those old natural responses. (Please don't take offense at the way I express myself here, I just want to make a point, not aggravate you.)
I would also debate that there is far more to race than skin color but I prefer not to - the notion of absolute equality is rooted in ideology and best left alone.
On the contrary, that would be an interesting topic worth debating. But not in this thread.

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nator
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Message 67 of 109 (454584)
02-07-2008 6:09 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by skepticfaith
02-06-2008 8:23 PM


Re: Racism or sexism: the dilemma of Afro-American women
quote:
Not that I like Obama (I believe in conservative spending, 1 & 2nd amendment issues)
Let's see, in the last 20 years or so, when the Republicans (Reagan and the two Bush's) have been in office, we've ended up with larger government, large debt with deficit spending, and a crappy economy.
When the Democrat was there, we had a smaller government, a budget surplus and a great economy.
Tell me again why today's Democrats are associated with irresponsible government fiscal policy and modern Republicans are seen as somehow fiscally conservative?

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nator
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Message 68 of 109 (454587)
02-07-2008 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by skepticfaith
02-07-2008 2:40 PM


Re: Racism or sexism: the dilemma of Afro-American women
quote:
Since this is an evolution forum - I believe there was a study conducted that showed EVEN white people tend to feel more comfortable around those of their own kind.. (I believe a series of slides of different people were shown) .
So this kind of 'racism' is actually a natural response. Black people just feel far more comfortable expressing this consciously.
Uh, why you you emphasixe that white people like to be with other whites?
That's racism.

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teen4christ
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Message 69 of 109 (454591)
02-07-2008 6:24 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by nator
02-07-2008 6:11 PM


Re: Racism or sexism: the dilemma of Afro-American women
It's kinda true, though. Just go to any college campus and observe.
There is nothing wrong with having the tendency to hang out with people who are culturally and physically similar to you. I'd call this personal preference, not racism.

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molbiogirl
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Message 70 of 109 (454593)
02-07-2008 6:28 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by skepticfaith
02-07-2008 2:40 PM


Re: Racism or sexism: the dilemma of Afro-American women
Since this is an evolution forum - I believe there was a study conducted that showed EVEN white people tend to feel more comfortable around those of their own kind.. (I believe a series of slides of different people were shown) .
Typical. "I saw a study once..."
Until you provide EVIDENCE to support your racist bullshit, I am going to ignore your "study".
This can be seen in other animals that choose mates within their own subspecies or group.
Homo sapiens is ONE species. There are NO subspecies.
In fact, there is NO genetic basis for "race".

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molbiogirl
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Message 71 of 109 (454595)
02-07-2008 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by teen4christ
02-07-2008 6:24 PM


Re: Racism or sexism: the dilemma of Afro-American women
T4C, your observation is limited by your experience.
It's kinda true, though. Just go to any college campus and observe.
I have only attended 3 different colleges, and I can tell you for a fact, you are wrong.
Furthermore, SF isn't simply claiming that "People hang out together". He's implying that "People mate within their own subspecies." That is pure, unadulterated racism, my friend.

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skepticfaith
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Message 72 of 109 (454596)
02-07-2008 6:37 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by nator
02-07-2008 6:09 PM


Re: Racism or sexism: the dilemma of Afro-American women
quote:
Uh, why you you emphasixe that white people like to be with other whites?
That's racism.
Because white people tend to overcompensate for their natural racist tendency and tend to praise black achievements more or even more disturbingly praise those who lack talent as well. Because whites are not honest in discussion of race.
It is much rarer to find blacks call other blacks racist but whites tend to do it all the time even though many of them don't even know that much black people. Just because you are a zealot for equality does not mean you are not 'racist'. And believing or thinking that the races do differ genetically does not mean you are a racist.
By the way this whole argument leaves out other races including Indians, Chinese, Hispanics etc who I believe are more victims of racism now than those of African descent.
quote:
When the Democrat was there, we had a smaller governmen
Many say that it was Reagan who set the tone for the economy in the 90s.
The current Republican party influenced heavily by neocons does spend more so you are right if you talking about this Bush and the next president Mcain.

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molbiogirl
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Message 73 of 109 (454597)
02-07-2008 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by Parasomnium
02-07-2008 4:52 PM


Re: Racism or sexism: the dilemma of Afro-American women
On the contrary, that would be an interesting topic worth debating. But not in this thread.
Para. Just FYI.
That was beaten to death on this board not too long ago.
I held the bat.
And SF. Your "race is MORE than skin color" aka "black folk have lower IQ" is so unbelievably offensive, I am willing to beat that tired piece of shit argument into the ground again.
Write up a PNT.
Hey. Here's an idea. If you've got the balls, open it in Free For All.

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skepticfaith
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Message 74 of 109 (454598)
02-07-2008 6:40 PM
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02-07-2008 6:28 PM


Re: Racism or sexism: the dilemma of Afro-American women
quote:
Homo sapiens is ONE species. There are NO subspecies.
LOL! We are truly special!
You're right - I just put on my cool aid shades. We are now all the same ...

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skepticfaith
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Message 75 of 109 (454599)
02-07-2008 6:43 PM
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02-07-2008 6:32 PM


Re: Racism or sexism: the dilemma of Afro-American women
quote:
People mate within their own subspecies
Well most do, but now that I put my cool aid shades on _ maybe I will try something different!

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