Global Warming/Strange Weather Patterns

What exactly have you presented so far? All I recall you presenting were the mention of some scientists who disagree about a warming trend, and an assertion that there has been no increase in atmospheric temperatures which turned out to be wrong. Did I miss something?

The British magazine "New Scientist" of Feb 12-18 has an article on global warming. I will try to post the main points by editing this post as I go.It has the C02 graph of Mauna Loa we have already seen. There seems to be no argument that we are increasing CO2 levels.An interesting point is the satellite measurements of IR radiation from the earth. From 1970 to 1997 it has been decreasing. This suggests that inspite of various effects that might cancel the greehouse effect the overall net result is a traping of more IR.It mentions work by a David Parker of the UK's Met Office that looked at the temperature measurements on both windy days and clam days. The idea being that city "heat islands" should have different effects on different kinds of days. They get results that suggest the heat island issue isn't messing up the temperature measurements.Here is the article online (and free it seems)Page has gone | New ScientistThey discuss both skeptic and proponent's views.

Hi Moose. I've just finished reading the Moyers discourse. I don't want to get myself involved in more than I can deal with, but I'll read the thread and go from there. I can see where Moyers gets applause from the secularists. I'll see what I can do to counter some of it.

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In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

There's so many factors to consider, like what effect the heated up earth has on the atmosphere. I'm thinking of the electrical magnetic factor as well as the thermal effect, heat tending to raise the atmosphere with it's thermosphere much higher and the density of the atmosphere likely less dense and gravity countering some of that. Then factoring into all this, more humidity in the atmosphere as evaporation ensues, something would need to keep it up there and from condensing. The heat may do that, making the humid mass less dense as it all rises to greater heights and less dense. Does that make sense?How that all affects the human body, would likely be quite a complicated science. A couple of the OT prophets prophesy that people will be very young at a hundred years and will live long like trees. Let me read the Moyer's thread that Moose alluded to so as to determine whether addressing this would be more for this or for that thread and I'll get back to you either tonight or asap. There's a lot to be said about how it might all work out, and that relatively suddenly, expedited by a global warming spike on the graph. Yah, and that goes to show, the pollution from these large industrial smog pots may dwarf the adverse effect Biblicalists and the Bush conservatives are having as per Bill Moyers on the ecology.This message has been edited by buzsaw, 03-02-2005 23:17 AM

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In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

So, warmer and thinner. Again, factors we could simulate. Warmer, thinner, and more humid? I'm no doctor but these don't sound like complex interactions to model in the body.And you're sitting on a goldmine with this. If all you have to do to make a person live to the age of Noah and cure all disease or whatever is alter their atmosphere, that's a revolutionary and easy medical treatment! So why aren't we doing this? I'd appreciate anything you have to offer on the subject. By all means, take your time. I'm inclined to agree that Bill Moyers is full of shit on this; not because China is going to be the ruin of us all but because the literal Bible cuts both ways; you can just as easily support evironmentalism from the Bible as you can greedy evironmental devastation. And Biblical literalists are a generally right-leaning bunch; they're much more likely to hold the belief that global warming simply isn't happening and won't happen as opposed to rooting for it to take place.

The factors of such a condition are legion, such as:1. The make up of such and atmosphere relative to the elements in it, like carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, et al.
2. The ecology of such a system relative to the quality of the plant nutrient, the considerable increase of vegetation, the tremendous amount of land mass vs oceans and the effect all that would have on life. For example the plants would be gobbling up the co2 and producing massive quantities of oxygen, et al.
3. According to Revelation 16 (toward the end of the chapter) the cities will all be leveled for something new. Isaiah 65:17-25 says a lot about this new age when people will live long again, all things will be at peace like the lamb lying down with the lion, renewed heavens/earth, etc.I read the Moyers thread and a lot of that was political, so maybe this is the best place for this stuff.Revelation 11 prophesies about two prophets of God who receive a lot of power over the weather. These, it states have the power to cause it not to rain on the earth for 3 1/2 years. It does not say precisely to what extent they exercise this power, but it does imply that they will use it very extensively world wide to the point that all nations and tongues of the world hate these guys very much. The beast, i.e. metaphoric word for antichrist or antichrist operative/system will cause these two prophets to be killed in what appears to be Jerusalem. The prophet John then makes a very interesting statement, that the whole world will view/see the bodies of these two for 3 1/2 days and will rejoice greatly at their deaths. After 3 1/2 days they are, in view of the world caught up into heaven. (Interesting prophecy of the technology of tv here, which imo, adds to the credence of the prophecy.) So if you have all this evaporation and no rain factored in with global warming, it would seem to me that the oceans and other waters are going to become stagnant, low and the sky is going to be come hazy cloudy. It also implies an unusually calm and windless atmosphere with very weak jet streams, et al. Such a phenomenon could, imo, change the world relatively suddenly. I believe the younger folks here and possibly some of the middle age ones will live to see this the way things are escalating politically in the Mid East, weather patterns, wars, et al. We'll see. Yah, lots of folks have made preditions in the past, but there was no Israel regathered when they made them and this is one thing that MUST happen before you even look for the end time events to emerge.Gotta get up early in the AM and get some sleep. Take care.

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In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

Well, right, that's what an atmosphere is. So what's the magic mixture that you're so sure makes everything "super"? Ok. We put people in oxygen tents. Do they increase in size and live to be 900? I don't see that happening. In fact too much oxygen can be harmful to you. [qs]Revelation 11 prophesies...[qs] Fascinating, but it doesn't speak to my question. What about this superclimate causes it to have the effects you ascribe to it?

CF, you're not talking to a scientist here. It's futile for me to guesstimate how this and that would work out. i've provided the some stuff that comes to mind which I think would be factors in a super climate. That's about all I can do, unless you think of something specific we can discuss. May some of the more apprised on this stuff have something to contribute. We have terrariums which have boxes or enclusures to contain the system. This is not an accurate model for an earth system which has no enclosure, imo.This message has been edited by buzsaw, 03-04-2005 19:38 AM

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In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

Hey all, the topic here is global warming in the future. It is not about any speculated conditions 6,000 years ago. Thanks.

I can appreciate that. Do you know of any creationist scientists that have addressed this? I know that the "superclimate" is fairly widely asserted among YEC's, do you know of any that have tried to propose the mechanism by which it would have its "super" effects? That's a fair point, but we're talking about factors that would radically affect the human body, and in regards to the human body, there's only a few ways "in" - only a few channels by which environmental factors could exert their influence. It's this area that I'd like some creationist to explore.

Buz has speculated that those conditions and conditions following global warming are the same, or similar at least. I was merely exploring that claim.

As per topic, the Biblical prophecies on global warming implicate oppressive heat, drout and disastrous consuming fires as a pre-requisite to the super climate which it is prophesied to bring about.

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In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

There is no science in it. Since this is a coffee house topic I guess that doesn't matter nor do I need to do any admining. I think that you are just wasting time though.

Well, it's not that I disagree, but I thought I would at least ask before I dismissed the claims that a "superclimate" could lengthen lifespans and enlarge animals, etc.

Hi Gary,Thanks for the interesting input. I consider it extremely appropriate to my OP (not that I haven't benifitted from and enjoyed the meandering general global warming discussions, too).Does anyone know of how (volume-wise) CO2 released from melting ice-caps, plants (world-wide), animals (world-wide), and other natural sources compares to man-made CO2?--TheLit