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Author Topic:   Legal Question - Re: Janet's Boob
Dan Carroll
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Message 16 of 31 (86046)
02-13-2004 9:45 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by truthlover
02-13-2004 9:41 AM


Re: The Wacky Bush brigade
quote:
You think several weeks is too harsh for saying she had bombs in her bags?
When they are able to open her bag, look inside, and see she has none? Hells yeah.
quote:
America's first amendment was meant to allow you to express your opinions, not to say whatever you wanted to say.
Jokes, however, are a means of expression. Even juvenile ones.

"Perhaps you should take your furs and your literal interpretations to the other side of the river."
-Anya

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Dr Jack
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Message 17 of 31 (86049)
02-13-2004 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Dan Carroll
02-13-2004 9:45 AM


Re: The Wacky Bush brigade
The trouble, Dan, is that they can't just look in the bag - what if there is bomb and it's set to detonate when they do that? They had to close the aisle for some time and call in bomb disposal experts. Several hundred people had their flights delayed because of this girl.
Sure, that was an over-reaction to a joke - but, here's the thing, what if it wasn't a joke? Are we just going to allow real terrorists to stroll on by if the joke about it? Bomb hoaxes are not funny; they're deeply disruptive and so we have to take them seriously.
(I agree three weeks was pretty OTT, but action was required).

"You're Green, You're Ugly and the Gods Hate You."

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Mammuthus
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Message 18 of 31 (86050)
02-13-2004 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Dan Carroll
02-13-2004 9:38 AM


Actually, I find it ironic that you can watch television in the U.S. during prime time and see a couple of hundred brutal murders re-enacted, over the top violence glamorized, and glorification of weapon use and none of this bothers the FCC or anyone's deceny one bit. But a boob pops out (no Hambre not Kid Rock ) and suddenly the sky is falling. I mean, I would also find John Ashcroft naked to be indecent but these guys need to lighten up.
In Europe, particularly Germany, I see naked people in adds, on tv, and there are even some fairly hard core sex shown on tv during prime time. However, extreme violence is edited out. A case in point, I saw Lethal Weapon II once on tv here and there is a scene with nudity that stayed in but a scene where Mel Gibson kills a guy by slamming his head in a car door was edited out. The violent crime rate in Germany (and most of Europe) is only a fraction of a percent that of the U.S. and teenage pregnancy rates are much lower...so what indeceny is the FCC actually going on about? Maybe I should sue CBS for having such lame acts during a half time show..that is pretty indecent. Or maybe I should sue the woman who wanted to sue CBS in the first place (because she was so outraged) for the pain and suffering she caused me by being such a tight assed idiot?
Are most Americans scared of breasts? Is this perhaps the next weapon of mass distraction..ahem..I mean destruction that needs defending against?

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Dan Carroll
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Message 19 of 31 (86054)
02-13-2004 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Dr Jack
02-13-2004 9:55 AM


Re: The Wacky Bush brigade
quote:
The trouble, Dan, is that they can't just look in the bag - what if there is bomb and it's set to detonate when they do that?
So... what, those big thumping x-ray machines are just for show?

"Perhaps you should take your furs and your literal interpretations to the other side of the river."
-Anya

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Coragyps
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Message 20 of 31 (86055)
02-13-2004 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Mammuthus
02-13-2004 9:55 AM


Actually, I find it ironic that you can watch television in the U.S. during prime time and see a couple of hundred brutal murders re-enacted, over the top violence glamorized, and glorification of weapon use and none of this bothers the FCC or anyone's deceny one bit.
That may be the main reason I don't watch TV. That same weird dichotomy has bothered me since I was a teenager - back when Lucy and Desi had to have twin beds, while The Rifleman blasted people full of holes. I'd rather have breasts to look at any day.

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Mammuthus
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Message 21 of 31 (86065)
02-13-2004 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Coragyps
02-13-2004 10:16 AM


I don't watch much tv anymore either...mostly because other than sex , German tv is pretty lame..and the dubbing of shows I do like, The Simpsons for example, is absolutely awful. However, there is a lot more program time devoted to science which is cool and if I watch I tend to look for that.

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truthlover
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Message 22 of 31 (86140)
02-13-2004 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Mammuthus
02-13-2004 9:55 AM


I find it ironic that you can watch television in the U.S. during prime time and see a couple of hundred brutal murders re-enacted, over the top violence glamorized, and glorification of weapon use and none of this bothers the FCC or anyone's deceny one bit.
Well, it is awful hard to argue with this point, Mammuthus.

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Peter
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Message 23 of 31 (88812)
02-26-2004 11:10 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Dan Carroll
02-13-2004 9:36 AM


Re: The Wacky Bush brigade
Not sure about the pub in chester after midnight
with regards welshmen, but if a scotsman is advancing on Clifford's
tower in York (and wearing a kilt) he's fair game

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Peter
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Message 24 of 31 (88813)
02-26-2004 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Dr Jack
02-13-2004 9:55 AM


Re: The Wacky Bush brigade
What was the actual crime?

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Dr Jack
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Message 25 of 31 (88816)
02-26-2004 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by Peter
02-26-2004 11:12 AM


Re: The Wacky Bush brigade
Making a hoax bomb threat.

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1.61803
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Message 26 of 31 (88828)
02-26-2004 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Mammuthus
02-13-2004 9:55 AM


LOL
Mamuthus writes:
"Are most Americans scared of breast?..."
Mamuthus, I have seen some that have scared me plenty.
[This message has been edited by 1.61803, 02-26-2004]

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Peter
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Message 27 of 31 (89000)
02-27-2004 6:34 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by Dr Jack
02-26-2004 11:22 AM


Re: The Wacky Bush brigade
That would only be relevant if there was some
actual threat, surely?
Mentioning the word 'bomb' on it's own
doesn't constitute a threat ... but I think I'd best
be careful about discussing bill of materials
documents next time I travel by air -- 'Yes, I have the
BOM in my luggage.' is NOT an unheard of phrase

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nator
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Message 28 of 31 (89003)
02-27-2004 7:32 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Dan Carroll
02-12-2004 1:26 PM


No, the TV and radio stations don't own the public airwaves; they are just allowed to use them and are "regulated" by the FCC.
The public owns the public airwaves.

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nator
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Message 29 of 31 (89006)
02-27-2004 7:41 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by mike the wiz
02-13-2004 9:17 AM


Re:
quote:
There was a case where a British woman said "bomb" on a plane - yes, a foolish thing to do but I heard she was imprisoned? I don't know if you've heard about this but I thought a jail sentence was harsh, and against "freedom of speech".
Freedom of Speech is not unlimited. This protection doesn't mean that you are allowed to lie to defame someone, and it doesn't allow you to be irresponsible, such as yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater.
Freedom of speech as a consitutional concept is about the freedom of individual thought; religious, political, artistic, philosophical.
{Fixed quote box - AM}
[This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 02-27-2004]

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nator
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Message 30 of 31 (89008)
02-27-2004 7:50 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by mike the wiz
02-13-2004 9:25 AM


Re:
I don't think that a fairly harsh penalty for pretending that you have bombs in your carry-on luggage or whatever is a bad idea at all if it acts as a strong deterrant against doing stupid shit like that.
Every single suspicion of a bomb or gun, etc. has to be thoroughly investigated and ruled out before that airplane can take off. This costs a lot of people a lot of money, makes for a whole chain of delays for that airplane all along it's route, screwing up hundreds of passengers' itineraries, and all in all is a great deal of trouble for many, many people, not to mention really scary.

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