Cartoons and common sense

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My real worry is that in pursuit of worldominance they will technically figure out how to get the bird flu in a people to people form or any other super virus.

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Starting in Middle East, eh?
That would mean there could be a real "Bird Flu Over the Cuckoo's Nest"

No its modeled after the conspiracy of the fortune 500 trained rats in black helicopters taking over the pizza industry.Beam him up Scotty.

Interesting... However, it seems to me that ANYTHING could be considered to be ridiculing a religion.... which is probably why laws like this are a bad idea. I mean there could be religions that believe the world is flat, up is down or just about anything.I'm assuming there are some sorts of limits on the law..... although it seems like a dumb idea to even have it to me

Sure but ridiculing a religion by targeting its leader through visual imagery which itself is considered tantamount to blasphemy is nowhere close to making fun of flat earth theory, which some religious people might hold. Its not like Islam is a small and obscure religion.Honestly, there is no difference between the cartoons in this case and the kinds of imagery antijewish media created in nazi germany regarding jews. The intent was to mock a religion and the people belonging to it. Despite what I just said above, I agree with this sentiment. I don't like such laws, just discussing what they mean for those nations which do have them, if they are going to be consistent.

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holmes
"What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)

You automatically lose by invoking the nazis.Try Sucuri WebSite Firewall - Access Denied

??? There's no such thing as that rule. It is a lame device used by people who would rather poke fun at others rather than discuss an issue. It is true that comparisons to nazis may be hyperbolic and characterize a desperate attempt to make an emotional appeal, but that does not exclude any and all references/comparisons to what nazis did.In this case it is apt and not part of some desperate emotional appeal, or guilt by association. There is a direct relationship between these two sets of imagery. The intent is to mock and deride a religious group based on stereotypes. For jews it was the ethnic features and unusual (mysterious) habits as well as financial practices not acceptable to many. For muslims it is ethnic features and unusual (mysterious) habits as well as military practices not acceptable to many.Look I'm not against the publication of these cartoons, I am simply pointing out that they would offend many people and were intended to offend, or amuse those that enjoy mocking people based on ignorant stereotyping.This message has been edited by holmes, 02-15-2006 03:47 PM

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holmes
"What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)

jihadwatch is basically the Answers in Genesis of the Mid-East political debate.The page to which you have linked starts off with an article about a German cartoon that apparently depicts the Iranian soccer team as suicide bombers. That articles starts off with the quote: While I do find the quote rather humorous myself, it certainly isn't serious scholarship or even journalism. Right off the bat, the site makes it clear that its intention is to goad xenophobic racism rather than explore that issues in a factual manner.

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"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt

Could you provide me with the links that prove anything said on those sites are wrong? When did Islam become a race? Thought it was a religion.

What ignorant stereotype do you see?

That jews are hooknosed, ratlike hermits who spend their time screwing people over for money and obscure religious fanaticism.

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holmes
"What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)

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Could you provide me with the links that prove anything said on those sites are wrong?

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No; if you are sufficiently interested in studying the issues then you can do the research yourself.If there is a specific issue that interests you that is not relevant to this thread (about the cartoons published in the Danish newspaper), then you can start a new thread, and then people (perhaps myself included) would be more than happy to supply information relevant to that issue and links or citations to the sources of that information.

Quess we were not looking at the same cartoons.Or is your point that you are just opposed to these kind of cartoons?If that's the case then why don't oppose the Islamic press that is full of just such caricatures.In Turkey the top rated movie portrays American soldiers as cold-blooded killers who the sell the bodies to a Jewish doctor for organ harvest.Outraged?

I've done the research( Qu'ran, Hadiths, joined Islamic forums), just wanted to see if you had.

I compared two different sets, you didn't suggest which one I was supposed to describe. If you want the other set it is that muslims are hooknosed hermits who spend their time killing people for virgins and obscure religious fanaticism. No I'm not opposed to them, I am simply pointing out what they are and why its no surprise that it would be offensive to some and illegal according to legal systems that ban speech which is deragatory of religions. Personally I don't like speech based on ignorant racial stereotyping, but I am not opposed to its creation or publication. Someone is full of something. How do you know what the Islamic press is full of? In any case, I was aware that such defamatory speech does exist in SOME of the Islamic media and I find it equally personally undesirable. Who said I didn't? Hey ts, cardboard arab terrorists have been one of the more consistent "bad guys" in US movies for over a decade. Did you know that in the 90s the Japanese made a Gojira (Godzilla) movie with US soldiers as bad guys? How about the Chinese with movies like Once Upon a Time in China? I guess that gets us back for our stereotyping them.You know what really cracked me up? Those dumbass Iranians just renamed "danish" pastries to something about flowers of allah or something like that, in order to protest denmark's involvement with these cartoons, despite the fact that such pastries are only danish in name and actually not from denmark. I mean how stupid do you have to be to do something like that?This message has been edited by holmes, 02-17-2006 11:33 AM

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holmes
"What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)

Somehow, holmes, knowing you a bit, I'm sure you are refering to something else here as well. I was about to spoil it by making it explict but I'll leave it for now.