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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5500 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Modulous responds to me:
quote:quote: Huh? I don't recall saying anything about you. All I did was ask you to spell out what you're trying to say. Hint: I get what you're trying to say. Hoot Mon, on the other hand, is being evasive. So by you using his terms, he gets to keep not saying what it is he's talking about.
quote: Incorrect. It was crystal clear. It would help if you would respond to what I actually say and not what you wish I would have said. Hoot Mon has a real reason why he doesn't want gay people to have the same rights as straight people, but he won't actually say what it is. He'll continue to avoid and evade. I'm trying to get him to spell it out. You're using his evasive terminology, so I'd like somebody to actually say it rather than playing coy.
quote: As was I. Exactly what is this "marriageable hitching equipment"? Somebody needs to spell it out. It's Hoot Mon's term. He needs to be specific about what it means. Not everything is about you, Modulous. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Hoot Mon responds to me:
quote: Get consent. Now, spell it out. "Natural barrier" to what? Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5500 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Rrhain, let me turn this around to serve your desire for defining boundaries. What do straight people do that gays don't?
Possible answers: Have intercourse with members of the opposite sex. Get married and have children. Let the wives have coffee in the morning with the other ladies in the neighborhood while their husbands are off at work? btw: What happens to the wives when two men get "married"? Wives would seem to be terribly discriminated against, wouldn't you say? What do gay men have against wives, anyway? Wives are real people too, you know, who just happen to be women married to real men. Maybe the wives need to come out of the closet and demand special laws to protect their titular marriages from being stolen by gay people who hate them. ”HM Edited by Hoot Mon, : Always looking for better ways to help Rrhain out. If you got some quince, Pussycat, I got a runcible spoon.
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5500 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Can you imagine a gay married man being elected POTUS? What would his partner be called? "The First Gay Gentleman"? Can you imagine the First Family hosting a dinner for OPEC officials to get them to lower their oil prices? Can you imagine the First Family hosting a dinner for the Pope to get him to relax his opposition to birth control? What would a gay POTUS say to the rest of the world? And why should there be anything wrong with that?
The threshold of bigotry is a slippery slope. ”HM If you got some quince, Pussycat, I got a runcible spoon.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Hoot Mon responds to me:
quote: No, let's not. You're the one saying that gay people should be denied the same rights as straight people. Therefore, you are the one who needs to explicitly state what it is that gay people do that straight people don't that would be the basis for denying them their rights. Spell it out.
quote: So marriage is about penis-vagina sex? How do you reconcile that with Lawrence v. Texas? Was it wrongly decided?
quote: Who said there needs to be a "wife"? What is it about marriage that requires the participants be of opposite sex? Only women can transfer property to men? Only men can sponsor women for citizenship?
quote: Huh? What is it about two men getting married that prevents a woman from getting married? Be specific.
quote: Huh? Gay people aren't real? Then what on earth are you complaining about?
quote: Huh? How does two people getting married get interpreted to mean they hate marriage? It would seem to be the opposite: People who hate marriage would not get married. We're back to the question you never answer: How does the neighbor's marriage affect you? But now we've got a new fantasy of yours: Somehow the neighbor's marriage means you can't get married. How does that happen? Be specific. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5500 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
What is it about two men getting married that prevents a woman from getting married?
What is it about hetero marriage that prevents a gay man from marrying a woman? Edited by Hoot Mon, : Rrhain should be grateful for my efforts to aid his learning.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Hoot Mon writes:
quote: Huh? That's your argument? Calling the husband of an executive the "First Gentleman" is too difficult? What does the sex of the executive have to do with anything? We should deny rights to people in this country on the off chance that they become the leader of the country and you want to giggle?
quote: Huh? That's your argument? We should deny rights to people in this country on the off chance that they become the leader of the country and other countries decide they don't like us? Then why on earth do we allow women to vote? Why do we allow black people to get married?
quote: Huh? That's your argument? We should deny rights to people in this country on the off chance that they become the leader of the country and other countries decide they don't like us? Then why on earth do we allow Protestants to vote? According to you, we're beholden to the Pope.
quote: "Hello." What would you think they would say? We should deny rights to people in this country on the off chance that they become the leader of the country and other countries decide they don't like us? Then how on earth did Bush become President? By the way, you do know about James Hormel (link 1, link 2), yes? US Ambassador? His confirmation was held up in the Senate because he was gay. This despite the fact that the country he was going to was begging the US to let them have him for the ambassadorship. It would seem the world doesn't have the same problems you do.
quote: Huh? That's your argument? We should deny rights to people in this country on the off chance that they become the leader of the country and other countries decide they don't like us? Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Added 2 James Hormel links. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Hoot Mon responds to me:
quote: "What is it about same-race marriage that prevents a black person from marrying a black person?" If it's a crap argument when applied to race, why does it suddenly gain legitimacy when applied to sexual orientation? Edited by Rrhain, : No reason given. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5500 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Rrhain writes:
What about the wife who is necessary to make a married couple? Shouldn't every marriage include at least one wife? Would you agree that all wives are necessarily married to their husbands? Would you agree that all wives are sexed female and all husbands male? Don't you think there ought to be a law that requires every marriage to include one or more wives. Who ever heard of a marriage without a wife? If it's a crap argument when applied to race, why does it suddenly gain legitimacy when applied to sexual orientation? Gay-marriage advocates, by their own assertions, are anti-wifehood. Gay men are out to dispense with the need for wives, which is tantamount to anti-marriage, and it ought to be identified as such on the threshold of bigotry. ”HM If you got some quince, Pussycat, I got a runcible spoon.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Hoot Mon writes:
quote: Why? What in the marriage contract requires one of the participants to be a woman? Only women can transfer property to a spouse? Only women can sponsor a spouse for citizenship? Only women can be head of household? Be specific. And how does this marriage prevent that marriage from happening? Why would two men getting married stop a woman from getting married? Be specific.
quote: Why? What in the marriage contract requires one of the participants to be a woman? Only women can be established as conservators? Only a woman can apply for survivor's benefits? Be specific. And how does this marriage prevent that marriage from happening? Why would two men getting married stop a woman from getting married? Be specific.
quote: Of course not. Some are married to their wives.
quote: Indeed. But so what? You are assuming that a marriage requires a male and a female, but you haven't explained why. What in the marriage contract requires the couple be of opposite sex? Only women can tansfer property to men? Only men can sponsor women for citizenship? Be specific. And how does this marriage prevent that marriage from happening? Why would two men getting married stop a woman from getting married? Be specific.
quote: Why? What in the marriage contract requires there to be a woman? And why would two men getting married deny a woman the right to get married?
quote: Gay men, at least.
quote: Huh? If you have two men and two women, how is there any lack of husbands or wives if the two men marry and the two women marry? How does same-sex marriage prevent someone from marrying?
quote: Huh? How does a couple getting married become a declaration of anti-marriage? How does the neighbor's marriage affect you? You can't get married if they do?
quote: Huh? Bigotry is denying to others that which you demand for yourself. How does equality in marriage without regard to the sex of the participants deny opposite-sex couples from marrying? Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4716 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
Gay-marriage advocates, by their own assertions, are anti-wifehood. It is not a prerequisite for a Gay rights advocate to be a Gay male. Some are straight males. Some are wives. Some are hot lesbians. Some are idiots. So there's room for you. Kindly Were Christians ever to speak in non-ambiguous terms and listen with critical ears there would soon be no Christians for lack of agreement as to God plan.
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Jaderis Member (Idle past 3425 days) Posts: 622 From: NY,NY Joined: |
Gay-marriage advocates, by their own assertions, are anti-wifehood. Gay men are out to dispense with the need for wives, which is tantamount to anti-marriage, and it ought to be identified as such on the threshold of bigotry. Um...you do realize that lesbians also have a stake in the gay marriage fight, don't you? You do realize that if lesbians are allowed to get married to each other then even MORE wives will be "created" than without it, don't you? That gay marriage would produce the larger number of wives, barring forced marriage, of course, right? Now who is "anti-wifehood?" It's funny how many of the homophobes tend to forget the lesbians in their tirades...it's quite telling as well. "You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London "Hazards exist that are not marked" - some bar in Chelsea
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Taz Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Jaderis writes:
Just a little side note. As I understand it, pretty much both sides of the debate tend to forget the lesbians as well. In real life, it's the lesbians that are fighting more than anyone else for gay rights. But in conversation, people always think of the gay men.
It's funny how many of the homophobes tend to forget the lesbians in their tirades...it's quite telling as well.
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5500 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
lyx2no writes:
Do lesbians have wives? How could you tell? And how do two gay men decide who is the wife? Do they arm wrestle? Draw straws? I therefore think that should not be a consideration, or at least, not a great consideration. ”HM If you got some quince, Pussycat, I got a runcible spoon.
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5500 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
jedaris writes:
So when two lesbians get married are there two wives? If not, then who gets to the husband? You do realize that if lesbians are allowed to get married to each other then even MORE wives will be "created" than without it, don't you? That gay marriage would produce the larger number of wives, barring forced marriage, of course, right? The threshold of bigotry is a complicated place with all these inverted homosexuals pretending to be wives. If Judy is the wife of Jim, and Chuck is the wife of Larry, then we will have to teach our children to play house differently. After all, we don't want no stinkin' bigots at their make-believe tea parties. ”HM If you got some quince, Pussycat, I got a runcible spoon.
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