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crashfrog
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Message 31 of 62 (86861)
02-17-2004 1:15 AM
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02-17-2004 12:56 AM


He lacks the background, breeding, and education to write such astounding lyrics. His plays have a depth and a magnitude so great that only a university-educated man of high status could have. As a matter of fact, his parents and daughters were probably illiterate, let alone able to send him to a university.
That's just intellectual elitism of the worst sort. Shakespeare attended grammar school, which at that time was like taking a Classics major. Also he was very good friends with a bookseller so he had considerable access to texts.
On Shakespeare’s birth certificate, his name is spelled ‘Shaksper,’ and six signatures undisputed to be authentic are all spelled differently.
Hardly conclusive as the very idea of consistent spelling had not yet been invented. The first dictionary of English was not published until 1604.
We find about six different spellings of Christopher Marlowe's name - he himself spelled it "Morley" - but nobody doubts he existed.
There are portraits of Shakespeare, but none that were done during his lifetime.
Nonsense. The "Chandos Portrait" (my favorite) is circa 1610:
Not a dramatist, not an actor, but a ‘Gent.’
Neither of those professions being appropriate for a gentleman, so it's not surprising that they were ommitted in his record. Also implicit in this is the idea that they would list the profession of a gentleman, which I don't believe to be the case. I believe that they would only list the professions of tradespeople - gentlemen and nobles were not identified by trade.
Originally a sack of grain was pictured on his headstone; in 1747 (when Shakespeare was gaining popularity), the sack was replaced with a quill pen.
An unsubstantiated urban legend.
De Vere, Earl of Oxford, is regarded as the most likely of the bunch to actually be the famed author.
The problem, of course, is that de Vere died before two-thirds of the plays attributed to Shakespeare were written.
Not that any of this is on-topic. But I thought you might like to know that these anti-Stratfordian pages have been steering you the wrong way.
[This message has been edited by crashfrog, 02-17-2004]

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Abshalom
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Message 32 of 62 (86864)
02-17-2004 1:31 AM
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02-17-2004 1:15 AM


Who airbrushed that earring in there?

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Azure Moon
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Message 33 of 62 (87118)
02-17-2004 6:54 PM
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02-12-2004 7:38 PM


Why not put a person on your list that has influenced and taught unknown millions (or billions) of people about hope, courage, and success. A person who gently and quietly challenged and changed the sterotypical comfort levels of the majority rule of her day and is still influencing many today as well?
Helen Keller forever changed how society views the handicaped and disabled. She was an individual in spite of her physical problems from birth. Very few people can tell you exactly what Newton did, or Galalio, or Einstein beyond a general description. But people know the story of Helen Keller.
I just wanted to put a plug in for the quiet changers of society. They're really hard to find.
edit: to fix for clarity.
[This message has been edited by Azure Moon, 02-17-2004]

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hollygolightly
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Message 34 of 62 (87153)
02-17-2004 9:59 PM


How about...
Thomas Jefferson? Okay, maybe not in the top 10, but he did pen the American Constitution, which has affected every American since then. Sorry, I study constitutional law and Thomas Jefferson is the most influential person in *my* life, at any rate.
Melissa

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Verzem
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Message 35 of 62 (87268)
02-18-2004 1:41 PM


Helen Keller and Thomas Jefferson would both be good choices. I do think that Jefferson would have to share his stage with the whole of the Founding Fathers though. And the democratic principles they laid down have reached far beyond Amnerica to date.
It gets very hard to choose just one.
Verzem

  
Silent H
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Message 36 of 62 (87293)
02-18-2004 4:07 PM
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02-17-2004 9:59 PM


Re: How about...
quote:
Thomas Jefferson is the most influential person in *my* life, at any rate.
What about Locke? He influenced almost all the founding fathers, especially Jefferson.

holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

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phil
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Message 37 of 62 (87368)
02-18-2004 7:35 PM
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02-17-2004 9:59 PM


Re: How about...
quote:
Thomas Jefferson? Okay, maybe not in the top 10, but he did pen the American Constitution, which has affected every American since then.
Jefferson had nothing to do with the Constitution. He penned the Declaration of Independence, but it was James Madison who was responsible for most of the writing of the Constitution. Jefferson was an ambassador in Europe somewhere at the time, as was John Adams.

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Peter
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Message 38 of 62 (87657)
02-20-2004 3:04 AM
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02-14-2004 10:30 AM


Re: Hmmm
If your going for ALL time you HAVE to
include Hamurabbi (sp?) surely, and possibly
Ahkanahten (sp?).
And why Augustus, rather than Gaius Julius?
For the last millenium what about Alexander Graham Bell?
The internet wouldn't exist without his contribution
to technology (for example).
Or Marconi.
Or Henry Ford.
Or Joseph-Marie Jacquard.
Or Edward Jenner.
Or Oliver Cromwell.
Or Henry VIII
Or Lee Harvey Oswald
Or Stan Lee & Jack Kirby
Or Jerry Siegel & Joe Shuster
Or Bill Finger & Bob Kane
Or .....
As someone else said ... depends what you mean by 'influence'

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Peter
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Message 39 of 62 (87659)
02-20-2004 3:09 AM
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02-15-2004 3:48 PM


What if someone who lived two thousand years ago
didn't have much influence then, but their legacy
proved influential in the last thousand years?
Do you qualify it by saying when they lived, or
when their influence was/is felt?

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Phat
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Message 40 of 62 (87669)
02-20-2004 5:24 AM
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02-14-2004 1:10 PM


THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PEOPLE
As to the overall most influential people of the last 1000 years, I will start with Jesus as He is eternally present in peoples lives.
Leonardo DaVinci
Mohammed
Galileo
Albert Einstein
Stalin
Hitler
Billy Graham
Mao Tse Tung
Siddartha
There. I could go on the longer I think.

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Message 41 of 62 (87783)
02-20-2004 4:46 PM
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02-20-2004 5:24 AM


Re: THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PEOPLE
Mohammed in the last thousand years?

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Asgara
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Message 42 of 62 (87784)
02-20-2004 4:47 PM
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02-20-2004 4:46 PM


Re: THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PEOPLE
Closer than Siddhartha

Asgara
"An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato

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Phat
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Message 43 of 62 (87795)
02-20-2004 6:17 PM
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02-20-2004 4:47 PM


Re: THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PEOPLE
Well..I never was much for historical accuracy!

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Verzem
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Message 44 of 62 (87856)
02-21-2004 1:58 AM
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02-20-2004 3:09 AM


My take on the question was that the person would have to have been a resident of the last millenium.
I did mention that influences can overlap millenium markers.
I don't recall anyone mentioning Bill Gates yet. Or how about Steven Speilberg or George Lucas? Perhaps Walt Disney? They were pretty influential.
Verzem

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Silent H
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Message 45 of 62 (87917)
02-21-2004 6:19 PM
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02-21-2004 1:58 AM


quote:
Steven Speilberg or George Lucas? Perhaps Walt Disney?
I'm sorry but these guys are wayyyyyyy not influential, with the exception of Disney's influence as a producer of merchandise and theme park atmosphere.
As far as cartoons go it was Fleischer that really had a major influence on quality cartooning (for movies).
And as far as cinema goes, no one beats Akira Kurasawa. As much as I like spielberg and lucas (they are entertaining), those guys are just sifters of known styles. Heck, star wars was based on a Kurasawa film.
I think the closest anyone comes to knocking that guys influence on cinema, would have to be Ford, Hitchcock, Kubrick, or Scorcese. You have to be inventive and set new standards to be claimed an influence.
And before anyone complains I want to repeat I am not knocking the quality of other directors or their works. I really love Woody Allen, even as a director, but his influence on cinema is not that huge, more influential perhaps on screenwriting and acting within cinema... his directing style is pretty unoriginal.

holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

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