The Most Dangerous Individual To Ever Live

Is it my fault that Islam has risen to the focus of so much attention on the world scene? Is it only Christianity that is subject to negative comment? Are Christians as we speak being persecuted and killed by Islam fundamentalist regimes in nations like the Sudan? Are we compelled to silence as this holocaust rages while we post??[This message has been edited by buzsaw, 03-19-2004]

Buz, I do believe that I HAVE stuck up for Xians from ppl just bashing them to bash them. I believe that this is one of the reasons AdMoose offered me this illustrious position.I am not saying a word about your two choices...if I were naming names for this poll, I would probably have chosen the same ones. My issue is with statements such as these... Your overlooking of violence and bloodshed done in the name of Xianity while harping on every transgression done by someone in the name of Islam is becoming sickening. I'm not going to get into a discussion of you double standard here. You have been called on this by others and I don't want it to become the focus of every topic you end up in.Tell you what...when you see someone making the claims against Xianity that you do against Islam...you let me know...in case I missed it.

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I've never ever overlooked the bloodshed done in the name of Christianity, Asgara. I've always met it head on, showing positively that it was done contrary to the teaching of Christ and his apostles. I've never ever denied that it took place. It was the true Christians who were killed as well as others by the bloody so called Christian inquisitioner bishops and popes of Vatican City. The topic is about specific individuals, is it not? Why then should I have mentioned the popes of Vatican City when Jesus and Mohammed topped them as individual subjects appropriate to the thread title?Maybe it's "sickening" to you because it truely is sickening. It sickens me to have to talk about it, but sometimes the truth is sickening. Believe me, I do not enjoy it, but does anyone else in town really care enough to speak up? If it were another Jewish holocaust, in the Sudan, would anyone care? I duno, but I do care about my Christian black brothers and sisters in Islamic fundie regimes who are being brutally tortured and being sold in the flourishing slave market in Islamic Northern Sudan. I care enough to risk the possibility that an Islamic devout will show up at my doorstep and blow me away for telling the truth. I've brought up the subject only when appropriate. Please be specific and cite where it was inappropriate and we'll talk about it, if you care to open a thread to that effect. That's really silly isn't it, madear? How can they make claims against the true followers of Jesus and the apostles when people like Falwell, Robertson, James Kennedy and others do and teach no violence such as some of the Sunnas, the Hadiths and yes, the Quran advocate??
Did you read my late post on the Islamic fundie thread where I documented about Islamic Jihad? If so, do you care to count the times the word "fight" was quoted from the Quran and the Sunnas in the link by this Islamic author?Besides, I've never called for censorship of my Christian bashing cyber counterpart friends. Let them! They're fulfilling Biblical prophecy, bless their deluded hearts! The truth silences them soundly without the need for censorship.
By the same token, if my Islam bashing is false, let them go at me with the truth!! They do the best they can with what they've got, which imo, isn't much.Btw, Christ is not spelled "X". If I used the term "Xlam" or referred to the prophet Mohammed as something like the Xet Mr. X you'd have no problem, Asgara, or would all you nice people then begin giving the Christian messiah/lord due respect to teach me some respect in how to refer to the deities of others??Hey, call us what you want. I can handle it and anything you all come out with, but please don't come at me for negative truth I post about others.

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Did you read my late post on the Islamic fundie thread where I documented about Islamic Jihad? If so, do you care to count the times the word "fight" was quoted from the Quran and the Sunnas in the link by this Islamic author?

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I did and then showed how much of a liar you were, using your own source none the less.You have yet to show more than one passage, taken out of context, as evidence the Quran itself teaches persecution, or address the numerous passages which clearly state otherwise.As far as treating the sunnas as equal or superior to the Quran, it has been stated and shown that not all Islamic denominations believe or practice that... again, including the source you posted a link from.You are a liar, and a bigot, with apparently no respect for the rules of your faith, even if overjoyed with some of its bloodier prophecies... which leaves you a hypocrite as well.

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Btw, Christ is not spelled "X". If I used the term "Xlam"...

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Xian is shorthand, like oh say... Btw? Should people fly off the handle for your maltreatment of the words by, the, and way?Not sure why you'd choose Xlam since it has no precedent, or grammatical sense. Not to mention that Islam is pretty damn short. But if you come up with a handy abbreviation for Islam, or even better Muhammed (mr M?) you'd find me using it just as much as Xian.

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please don't come at me for negative truth I post about others.

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People have every right to come at you for you lies, even if you choose to spin the situation by calling them "negative truths".

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

Thread moved here from the Miscellaneous Topics in Creation/Evolution forum.

Actually, it is. That's not X, that's the greek letter "Chi", as in "Chi-ristian." It's an abbreviation origninating in the early days of Christian scholarship. Hence the traditional Catholic symbol "Chi-Rho":Why is it that us atheists generally seem to know a little more about the history of your own religious traditions?

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Why is it that us atheists generally seem to know a little more about the history of your own religious traditions?

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Probably because athiests tend to be curious about the world around them and actually spend time reading and studying things.As far as I can tell the majority of Xians read the first book (genesis), the last book (revelations), and skim through the rest to find specific passages they might like... and nevermind the true historical context of the cult.This is not to say all of them, just a majority...

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

I suggest Holmes, that you cite specifically wherein I lied. My post pertains to the number of times the word "fight" was used in the Quran, the Hadiths and Sunnas. Regardless of which were revered the most, all were/are revered and acknowledged by all Muslims as important. Where have you posted the number that word "fight" was used, in the link of quotes. How about just the number from the Quran itself? Then compare that to the number of that word in the New Testament. It may surprise you.

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Probably because athiests tend to be curious about the world around them and actually spend time reading and studying things.

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Oh, I see. Thiests tend to not be curious about the world? They do not read or study things? I strongly disagree and I think you should re-think the statement above suggesting it.

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The earth is flat.

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Why is it that us atheists generally seem to know a little more about the history of your own religious traditions?

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I don't think this is the case, generally.

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The earth is flat.

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As a 'follower of history,' what would you say if someone put Jesus and the Apostle Paul at the top of his list, due to the way that their words have been used to justify war, genocide, and slavery through the ages?

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Manipulation is a dangerous thing, isn't it Mr. Hambre.

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The earth is flat.

Apostle, why do you have Karl Marx? He wanted a classless society where everything is owned and supported by everyone. If you think he wanted Communism as it turned out, you haven't read " Communist Manifesto"Also, I wouldn't pick Jesus or Mohammed. They taught peace. They taught against hatred towards fellow man. The subject asked for the most dangerous individual to live. Not who's ideals and philiosphies were twisted by man for their own good. With that said, i would say:
1)Joseph Stalin
2)Ivan IV ("Ivan the Terrible")

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I suggest Holmes, that you cite specifically wherein I lied.

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Perhaps you were referring to a different last post to a thread on Islamic fundamentalism? This is the only one I know of.Personally I see nothing about the number of times the word fight is used in your post, and don't think that has much relevance anyway.My comment about your lies was regard to your use of the link you posted, as well as your numerous mischaracterizations of what the Quran does and does not say (this has been proven), as well as assertions that all followers of Islam must believe in what you or your selfserving choice of links say they must.This is of course in addition to your incorrect statements about my opinions regarding terrorism and threats by militant Islamic sects.If you were referring to some other post, then I apologize for making a mistake in understanding which post you were referring to.

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

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Thiests tend to not be curious about the world?

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Correct. There appears to be very little interest in matters of objective truth regarding the world. Or at the very least theists show little interest in PURSUING matters of objective truth through an effort of research.

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They do not read or study things?

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Sure, but nothing very heavy, including their own religious text, or more than that histories of their own religion.

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I strongly disagree and I think you should re-think the statement above suggesting it.

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Remember I did not say this pertained to all theists, just a large number (perhaps the majority) of them. I could be wrong. This is a statement of personal experience.Having lived in a very religious town, and attended a religious affiliated college I've had a bit of experience with theists. Its always startled me how disinterested most of them were in putting in the time and effort necessary to truly understanda subject, including their own faith.I have seen that tendency mirrored here in many posts by self-proclaimed theists.For example, how do you explain buz's lack of knowledge regarding where the X for Xian came from? I think that's been mentioned in these forums at least twice before.

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

How many times in the link of this post is the word "fight" quoted from the Quran itself, not to mention the Sunnas and the Hadiths, Holmes? There is not one single reference to the word "fight" in the New Testament" as to applying to commanding or encouraging Christians to engage in fighting anyone. So I repeat, where am I lying??