How bad is your googling habit and what does it mean?

So humans come into this world already programmed to play chess? I don't think so. They need programming and a lot of it just to avoid a fool's mate. Try the Turing Test on Deep Blue and see what you get. For both humans and computers it's garbage in-garbage out.”HM

Your analogy is silly. What about a computer programming another computer. What about a computer programming a human? Humans can teach humans math, humans can teach computers math, computers can teach computers math, and computers can teach humans math. We have to be programmed (or taught) at one time or another.But maybe things are different up there in the wastelands of Canuckistan.”HM Edited by Hoot Mon, : changed Percy to Ringo

Happens all the time. Can't happen because humans aren't programable. Teaching is not programming.Programming is strictly a one-way street - human/machine, master/slave, driver/vehicle. Teaching is two-way. Teachers have to learn before they can teach. Teachers learn by teaching. It's windy today (and Google didn't program me to say that).

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Close enough for government work and to make an argument that when a kid recites his multiplication tables he is being programmed to do mathematics. No need to be fussy about a distinction between programnming and teaching. And forget your two-way streets, unless you're willing to admit that computer programming is also iterational.”HM

The difference is that learning can be initiated by the student, and with a purpose. The computer does not decide which programs it will accept or search out new programs to try.

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Port-Darwinian evolution of the human species may include the principle of recursive bootstrapping, wherein the computers keep humans around to make more copies of them”computers, that is”and to make them better, too. In return we get googled. Yes, we may be transiting into Digitalea. And to say we humans are not programmable is to ignore religion, hypnosis, consumerism, racism, professional sports, Hitler Youth, and the Holocaust.”HM

Learning the multiplication tables is just storage - assignment to an array.Learning how to do mathematics is another thing entirely - learning how to apply one set of data (multiplication table) to another set of data (problem) to come up with a third set of data (solution). Computer operation is iterational. Computer programming isn't.

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Why isn't it. When I used to program computers it was very interational.”HM

Wait, what? Iterative programming was one of the earliest concepts we studied in Comp Sci I, right after recursion. Isn't your basic "for" loop an example of iterative programming?Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean by the term.

Okay, a nice sketch for a Sci-Fi story that ends with the Butlerian Jihad but as in the polio thread and others, you simply have provided no support that something like that is happening.

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I wonder how to go about finding that support. Hmmm...let me see...”HM

My terminology is probably off. Certainly, the machine executes instructions iteratively and programs often perform iterations.I understood (or possibly misunderstood) Hoot Mon to suggest that the act of writing programs is iterative.When I talk about "programming a computer", I mean writing the programs, not just loading them and executing them. By analogy, "programming a child" would involve devising a particular set of instructions that the child would always follow to get the desired output.While it's possible to produce a kind of "Pavlov" response to certain inputs, I'd hardly call that programming.

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Unless I still don't understand what you mean by "iterative" - and this might very well be because I don't know much about educational theory - I think you could make an argument that writing a program was frequently iterative; generally you block out the general structure of a program, using placeholders for functions, then going back and filling in the blanks, then going back and debugging (repeat this last about 20 times), etc.I don't mean to sandbag you with nit-picking, of course, I'm just trying to arrive at a sense of what you're saying.

That isn't really iteration though, is it? It isn't doing the same thing over and over again. It's doing different things in the same place. The whole "iteration" thing is fairly irrelevant, I think. My point was more that a programmer gives instructions which the computer follows to the letter. A teacher, on the other hand, passes on information (and information on how to deal with information) - not a prescribed, stepwise process.A computer can only do exactly what it's told. Garbage in, garbage out. But if a teacher does a good job, the student will say, "Hey, wait a minute. This is garbage."(I appreciate the nit-picking. It made more sense the first time I said it - which is probably not a good sign. )

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Fair enough. I guess the problem was an unfortunate choice of words; you inadvertently used a term that had a different meaning in computer science.But, I kind of get the sense of what you're saying. Some learning is iterative, though; learning by rote, for instance. That's proved not to be especially instructive, though, which I think proves your point.