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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3985 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
I'd say Google is different in terms of scale, access and decentralization to what has gone before. Hierarchies of information gathering and distribution in the traditional media are subverted by the free and ubiquitous ability to both research and publish.
As jar says, Google is on a continuum of other advances, e.g., printing press and radio, and much of its impact--including the first global "full duplex" exchange of information in real time--is inherent in the net itself. Real things always push back. -William James Save lives! Click here!Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC! ---------------------------------------
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5522 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
jar writes:
Couldn't agree with you more. And Edie Adams singing the Murial cigar commercial in Mae West style was probably the sexest thing I ever saw. Did you see any Jerry Lester shows with Huntz Hall and Dagmar? ...the GREAT all time TV shows, Tomight with Steve Allen and Ernie Kovacs. ”HM
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
If you read TBLs initial papers on the World Wide Web and the development of HyperTextMarkUpLanguage all of that is implicit in his concept.
The essence of the WorldWideWeb is that anyone can create an addressed designation for information, to make information available beyond the originator or even the limits of the originators peer base. Search engines have been around even longer than the WordWideWeb, most notably Archie, Gopher, Jughead and Veronica. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5522 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
keresu writes:
Why not? I was there. Were you? History may not be as rigorous as science, but you still can't make assertions. ”HM
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2535 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
thank you for missing the point.
You were 'there'. That does not mean you are unbiased (as admitted). It also highly doubtful you had access to all the information about what happened. Statements about why something happened in history require support. I can say "Bismark's belief in pink blackholes led him to try and unify Germany", but without any support for this, it has no validity. Even if a person alive in Germany (Berlin, even) when unification happened would have to support that statement with evidence.
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5522 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
You mean I have to support my anecdotal experiences with emprirical evidence to make them valid? What am I, chopped liver? Can't my personal anecdotes be valid on their own merits?
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You mean I have to support my anecdotal experiences with emprirical evidence to make them valid? What am I, chopped liver? Can't my personal anecdotes be valid on their own merits? No but you do need to support external conclusions drawn from that anecdotal evidence and asserted by you. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5522 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
jar writes:
That's entirely possible. I grew up in Toledo, Ohio. My dad certainly did not play any blues or jazz on his record player. We had to discover them on our own. Radio stations out of Detroit were helpful in that regard. Don't know where you grew up, but Toledo was your standard cornbelt town. All the things I reported really happened. The cause-effect relationships are disputable, of coursed. My parents had no problems with Chuck Berry or Little Richard, but then they had also introduced me to Big Momma Thorton, Bessie Smith, Lady Day, Blind Lemon Jefferson, Willie Dixon and Jelly Roll Morton. I'm sorry but I lived through the same period and saw nothing like what you seem to picture. ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5522 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
No but you do need to support external conclusions drawn from that anecdotal evidence and asserted by you.
You mean I have to google up someone who agrees with me to make my assertions valid. Why can't I have valid assertions based on my own anecdotal experiences? Your evidentiary standards seem set a little too high to me. But, OK, don't take anything I say as valid. They're only personal observations and analyses. Please tell me your analysis of cause-effect relationships that explain the rebellion of the 50s and 60s. ”HM
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Please tell me your analysis of cause-effect relationships that explain the rebellion of the 50s and 60s. What rebellion of the 50s and 60s? See, you assert there was such a rebellion, but offer no evidence of it or how it was any different than any other period in history. There were rebellions and movements, but again, they had specific causes and goals, unrelated to Zoot Suits. There was a Civil Rights movement, there was an Anti-War movement, there was a Sexual Revolution, there was a Women's Rights Movement, there was a reaction to governmental lying, illegal activities and invasion of privacy, there were numerable rebellions of individual children against parental authority, which has been happening as long as there have been parents and children. If you are going to assert something like "... the rebellion of the 50s and 60s." you need to establish there was such an event. Edited by jar, : fix sub-title Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Hoot Mon writes: I've googled a lot of stuff you can't find in any encyclopedia. Besides, didn't Diderot fuel a revolution when he wrote the Encyclopedia? Your trouble here is that you're too young to see the fuller sweep of history. You need to consult with older people more often. True but a lot of which I need at home, in business and in theology etc I must consult the encyclopedia, price guides, reference books, etc because I either have to wade through too many pages of Google or it just isn't to be found there. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Could you live without Google (or any of its peers)? Is googling good or bad for humanity? Is it going to change us. Is Google a potentially mind-controlling monster? Or is just a better librarian? I think with anything inherently good, you can find attached to it all sorts of bad along with it. Is the internet a good thing? Sure, in many ways. But it obviously has a lot of drawbacks as well. But I wouldn't limit that to a search engine. The entire internet has positive and negative aspects. As for whether Googling (or any search engine) goes, I would say that it fosters a false sense of truism. The information on the internet is not always verifiable. Anyone, at any time, can inject their bias in to any topic under the sun. Obviously, some websites are better at controlling it than others, but the same could be said of an old fashioned library. Any yahoo can write a book. Writing it doesn't necessarily make it true, I think we'd all agree. The same goes for Wikipedia. While it is probably accurate for the majority of things, we all need to remember that it is a user net, and anyone can edit it any time. “This life’s dim windows of the soul, distorts the heavens from pole to pole, and goads you to believe a lie, when you see with and not through the eye.” -William Blake
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Hoot, I was 15 years old in 1950 and I can attest to most of your assessment of how things were then. I thought it was an articulately masterful description of the times of that era. In fact I find your input always well articulated, no matter what you're addressing, though I may not always agree with your points. Imo whether we agree or not, I regard you as a great asset to the EvC family.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
NJ writes: As for whether Googling (or any search engine) goes, I would say that it fosters a false sense of truism. The information on the internet is not always verifiable. Anyone, at any time, can inject their bias in to any topic under the sun. Obviously, some websites are better at controlling it than others, but the same could be said of an old fashioned library. Any yahoo can write a book. Writing it doesn't necessarily make it true, I think we'd all agree. I agree, Nem. Good post. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5522 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
jar writes:
Too bad you missed it. It was a hoot! What rebellion of the 50s and 60s? ”HM
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