George W. Bush's qualifications to be President

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you all got what you voted for with Clinton

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Yeah.The longest run of economic prosperity in the history of the country.A large budget surplus.Progress towards peace between Israel and Palestine.Several thwarted terrorist plots on american soil.When one succeeded at the WTC, he apprehended those responsible and brought them to justice.He identified Osama bin Laden as a major threat and had a standing assasination order out on his head.He shrank the size of government.This message has been edited by schrafinator, 09-09-2004 03:16 PM

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Kerry's support for a 50 cents per gallon tax increase on gasoline was A) not for a voting measure, and was only mentioned in floor discussion B) back when gasoline was 1.01$ per gallon, C) would simply move us closer to most of the rest of the world (do you think, of all of the types of taxes possible, that having it on something like gasoline is a bad place for it? Would you rather it be on income or payroll taxes?) and D) is no longer supported given current gasoline prices.

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I support Kerry and yes, I'd prefer the tax to be levied on income, not gasoline. Gas is almost as necessary to modern life as food. If taxes had been raised 50 then gas prices would be 50 higher today. Much better IMO to levy new taxes on vehicles (such as SUVs) which do not meet fuel efficiency standards.

Yes, I agree. Gas taxes tend to be very regressive, as fuel costs are a larger percentage of a low-income person's income. Also, low-income persons are not often able to afford fuel-efficient vehicles, so they pay even more.

Somebody start a "Coffee House" tax topic.Then you all can transfer your best thoughts there, so they're not lost in the Bush.Adminnemooseus

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> The Vets have spoken (he betrayed 2.5 million Vets), he can not be trusted

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Its amazing that speaking out on Vietnam is seen to Kerry's DIS-credit these days. Vietnam appears to have been totally rehabilitated.

I have to agree with you on this. I've been baffled how his position back then can be seen as anything but forward thinking from our vantage point on history. At a time when such talk was not popular, he advanced the RIGHT position.I mean even McNamara has essentially admitted Kerry's position was right.It's also got me scratching my head how one group of vets gets treated as if THEY are talking for ALL VETS, when clearly there are vets that are FOR Kerry. What is it vets for bush are good, vets for kerry are traitors?

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

The reason Vets against Kerry are good, and Vets for Kerry are bad is because as Oliver North in his letter to Mr. John Kerry, brought forth that Kerry destroyed the good name of over 2.5 million Vets (aiding the propagada of the enemy), when he lied about Cambodia, and when he lied saying the Vets were all butchers, even Clinton from his hospital bed advised Mr. Kerry to stop talking about Vietnam, can Kerry put his ego aside(politicians have big ego's), and face up to the fact that he is not a John F Kennedy(and downplay the Vietnam days), that his record in Vietnam Stinks, but hopefully Kerry will continue to be forced by the Vets to talk in circles about his Vietnam Record, cause the Vets against Kerry are sinking his ship, etc...Page not found - Plaza | Fretag i StockholmThis message has been edited by whatever, 09-10-2004 01:42 PM

Wait a second. What on earth does a guy that violated the Constitution have clout at all with you? He didn't say that. Talk about liars. That's funny McCain and Bush have also called on Republicans to stop slandering Kerry and that he was heroic in action and deserving of respect.You got some problem with them? You win a silver star and I'll start listening to you on that subject.

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

> Kerry destroyed the good name of over 2.5 million Vets (aiding the propagada of the enemy), when he lied about CambodiaBut... we *did* attack Cambodia. This is as indisputable as the fact that we fought Germany in WWII.> and when he lied saying the Vets were all butchersUm, no. Please read his speech in its entirity, instead of the typical right-wing excerpts. He starts off by talking about what people he knew told him that they had done in Vietnam, and then got into *why* these people had done what they did. He layed the blame on the sort of uncaring free-fire policies adopted by high-ranking military and government officials.>even Clinton from his hospital bed advised Mr. Kerry to stop talking about VietnamAnd how much has Kerry talked about it since?> his record in Vietnam StinksOf course. Are you ready to sign up to do door-to-door patrols in Iraq, get shot three times by insurgents, save a person's life (a person who, in Kerry's case, was so thankful that he and 11 other people who *actually served on Kerry's boat* (unlike all but one SBVftT members) drop what they're doing to help you campaign) and when you see wrongdoing, come back and spend years campaigning to stop it? No?> hopefully Kerry will continue to be forced by the Vets to talk in circles about his Vietnam RecordWell, one thing they are succeeding at is stopping him from being able to discuss the issues affecting our country currently.

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"Illuminant light,
illuminate me."

Oh, and for a bit more of a light-hearted post...

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"Illuminant light,
illuminate me."

I'm not a Jehovah witness, cause of their problem with acknowledging Jesus is both of the seed of David, and of the Bright and morning star(that he was dead and is alive forevermore, interestingly he resurrected himself cause he was God (came from God went back to God), his Father said he had this power to resurrect himself, he is the resurrection and the life, our high priest, God the Son, and the Son of man, sitting in the flesh at the right hand of his Father, etc...), However, I believe the (Jehovah Witnesses belief not to Vote, or be apart of exercising what I believe is their God given right, I think you simply have to respect people like Jerry Falwell, Oral Roberts, Pat Robertson, and all those watchmen that are saying to exercise your God given right to vote (make a judgment call and Vote for GWB), if your a catholic, then you can not in good faith vote for Mr. Kerry cause he is for abortion though he says hes against it(flip flop), he says one thing and votes for another, he takes money for time not earned in the senate, he slandered the good name of Vets, like how many commandments is Mr. Kerry violating in the name of politics (slandering, lying, stealing, heresy (for abortion, etc...), and how many commandments is GWB supporting as a statesman, it doesn't matter if your a Catholic or a Protestant, its clear GWB is the moral candidate, honoring all that he is able to in his oath to protect us and ours, from those that Mr. Kerry would turn us over to (UN world law) in his quest for to make us more of a global nation, and not a soverign nation, etc...I respect Jehovahs Witnesses right, to abstain from voting, but disagree, believing that Christians should call a lemon a lemon, and Mr. Kerry is a lemon, and I will Vote accordingly, when the anti-christ is killed and raised back to life, he will be filled with the devil, doubt he will care what rockefeller, Kerry, GWB, or you feel about whats coming, you will have only one right when he comes and that will be to worship the devil, or do the honorable thing and refuse), (when he comes if you refuse to worship the devil, you will be killed, atheists will not be allowed to abstain, Jehovah Witnesses will have to make a choice), but until the Anti-Christ comes to his alloted time of those 42 months in Revelations, I say we vote for moral statesmen(GWB), not lying politicians (JFK), and sadly this means one must vote the democrats out of office, cause of the democrats abuses of filibuster powers(meaning the few are controlling the will of the People), Teddy Kennedy just one democrat, is at it again, in his quest to prevent conservative nominees in the federal courts, truly if democrats take control, you will lose what rights your thinking your preserving, cause its the republicans that are about preserving the constitution, even in spite of the patriot act, and well if you value your constitution the last thing you want to do is vote for a lawyer that is a globalist, that has betrayed this country more than once, is not a trustworthy man, to trust with what you all love, but like Pat Buchanan wanting to close our borders, you really have no reason to cry about the jobs those of you who voted for Clinton ( A democrat) started flowing out of this nation, and if you vote for Kerry you will have no one but yourselves to blame for your freedoms to speak out, becoming not a soverign right, when world laws are made soverign over US laws, and over our constitution, etc...P.S. Jay Leno's joke today was that Kerry promises to tell the truth if elected, meaning he will lie until he's elected.Another Jay Leno joke, is that Clinton was going to campaign for Kerry for the next two months, but now because he is not able, Gore said he would campaign for Kerry, and now its Kerry that is getting chest pains.P.S. Do any of you think the two little horns are the republicans and the democrats, or capitalism and communism, we should simply worship the Lord, and give thanks for the freedoms you all have, in America, though not sure this freedom is exactly what God had in mind, cause people seem to be quite hard hearted these days, though I vote Republican, probably more of an independent, cause of how the Republican party turned on Pat Buchanan, though GWB is a peach, and Kerry quite a lemon, but if Kerry is elected, fear for us and ours, cause of Kerry lack of trustworthyness.This message has been edited by whatever, 09-11-2004 01:09 AM

> if your a catholic, then you can not in good faith vote for Mr. Kerry cause he is for abortion though he says hes against it(flip flop)Where has Kerry claimed to be against abortion? Cite, please.> he says one thing and votes for anotherI asked for examples, and your "example" presented thusfar is, to the best of my knowledge, completely incorrect.> he takes money for time not earned in the senateOh, that's rich, coming from soneome whose president spent almost half his time in office leading up to the September 11th attacks on vacation in Crawford, Texas. It's also rich, coming from someone whose party had Bob Dole completely leave his senate seat to run. And it's especially rich concerning Kerry, who has an incredible lifelong attendence record, and only has a low record this year due to his campaign for the presidency.> he slandered the good name of VetsCite, please.> how many commandments is GWB supporting as a statesmanWell, lets see... I don't think he has any other Gods, makes graven images, or swears (cheney does, so that's only half a point). He's taken a completely different strategy as his father, but seems to get along OK. I don't think he's cheated on Laura. So, I'd give him 5 1/2 out of 10.> its clear GWB is the moral candidateYes, because only a moral person smiles and makes jokes when talking about executions. Only a moral person chooses war as first resort, not last. Only a moral person gives no bid contracts. Only a moral person shifts the tax burden from the wealthy to the poor and middle class. Only a moral person leaks the names of undercover CIA agents to the press. Only a moral person blacklists reporters who write negative things from all white house functions. Only a moral person cuts veterans benefits in a time of war. Only a moral person gives huge amounts of monetary aid to Uzbekistan, a country whose government boils people to death in torture facilities that make what we've found in Iraq look like preschool. Only a moral president would use known shoddy evidence from known liars and present it to the world as rock-solid, despite stated concerns about the quality from much of the rest of the planet. Only a moral person would support the execution of juveniles, and not grant a single stay of executions during his governorship. Only a moral person would roll back almost every environmental regulation in the book, from arsenic levels to forest protection to power plant scrubbing equipment enforcement. I could keep going, but you get the picture.> to protect us and ours, from those that Mr. Kerry would turn us over to (UN world law) in his quest for to make us more of a global nationPlease explain what you mean by this. If you're referring to the International Criminal Court, why should the US get an exemption?> and Mr. Kerry is a lemonPerhaps instead of just repeating republican talking points, you actually respond to my criticisms of your post next time?> but like Pat Buchanan wanting to close our borders, you really have no reason to cry about the jobs those of you who voted for Clinton ( A democrat) started flowing out of this nationYou mean, the time when we had such a robust, booming economy?> and if you vote for Kerry you will have no one but yourselves to blame for your freedoms to speak out, becoming not a soverign rightUm, hello, which side introduced the patriot act, and which side is campaigning against it? Which side routinely gets good ratings from civil liberties groups, and which side gets slashed in reviews?> cause of how the Republican party turned on Pat Buchanan,Pat Buchanan, who just published a book "Where The Right Went Wrong: How Neoconservatives Subverted the Reagan Revolution and Hijacked the Bush Presidency" - a book which is a sharp critique on Bush's policies, and how they're not conservative, but self-interested and harmful to American interests?

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"Illuminant light,
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I pointed that out to him a while back. He just kept on bobbing and weaving.I'd suggest not wasting time on whatever. I just figured that out this week. His name pretty well captures his position: Whatever he has to say and avoid in order to repeat his monologue.

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

Rei, http://getreligion.typepad.com/...04/07/kerry_abortion_.htmlThe Washington Post, John Kerry has elaborated on his long-stated personal opposition to abortion in contrast with his perfectly prochoice voting record."I oppose abortion, personally. I don't like abortion. I believe life does begin at conception," Kerry told the Tribune Herald.P.S. We all know Kerry will say the one thing and vote for the other, he flip flops on abortion, voting contrast with his belief, proving once again you can not trust this politician, etc...I agree with you about Dole that he took the high road and resigned from the Senate, shouldn't Mr. Kerry take the high ground and resign form the Senate, if he is violating federal law in the taking of a salary for time not present.I agree with you that GWB supports capital punishment for capital crimes, but the bible too supports that if someone shed someone elses blood their blood should be shed by man. This principle goes all the way back to after the biblical flood, where God made this decree, however, thats what Murder in the first degree is about, shouldn't the laws be made to protect the people, etc...The United States should get an exemption from an international world court, because it makes their laws soverign over our laws, this is the exact reason we need to vote the democrats out of office, so to remain a soverign patriotic nation, etc...The Vets have spoken, Mr. Kerry can not be trusted, etc...I think even you agree that Pat Buchanan will vote for GWB, because I've never seen him endorse JFK. If you have some reputable source saying Pat Buchanan supports JFK it would shock me, so while he critizes, Bush on his policies, he still is the better man, compared to Mr. Kerry, in Pats mind. I agree that Pat Buchanan would of been a better candidate, even still, but you really have only two choices in November, and given JFK is not to be trusted, has not shown he can be trusted, interestingly the Vets appear to sinking Kerrys swiftboat, and that is the one bright spot in the election, that Kerry actions in voting, in life, is one of a constant flip flop, Kerry is a double minded man (politician), we should vote for the statesman (GWB), who like John Quincy Adams is stable in all his ways, etc...kjv Jam 1:8 A double minded man [is] unstable in all his ways.This message has been edited by whatever, 09-12-2004 01:15 AM

Holmes, Kerry not only betrayed the Vets that served in Vietnam, he is honored by the North Vietnamese as a hero, for his propagada supporting their cause, wonder what the millions of South Vietnamese thought of Kerry, as Pol Pot immediately started butchering millions of South Vietnamese, something Kerry doesn't mention, those people were fighting for freedom, and were butchered because of our early withdraw, is this what Kerry will do to the Iraq people, our leaving before establishing a democracy, etc...Friday, August 20, 2004
"KERRY LIED . . . while good men died" - Vets To Stage Anti-Kerry ProtestUnited Press International reports that Vietnam Vets for the Truth is planning a Capitol Hill protest next month focusing on Kerry's allegations that U.S. forces committed atrocities in Vietnam:Former Capt. Larry Boyle, a Navy Seal in Vietnam, said the demonstration was "to force the media to address the issue of those lies. We aren't even going to utter the name Bush or tell people not to vote for Kerry, just purely focus on the eight or nine lies he told about the baby killers, the torturers, etc."CALIFORNIA YANKEE: "KERRY LIED . . . while good men died" - Vets To Stage Anti-Kerry ProtestSad how Senator Kerry now ignores how Pol Pot brutally murdered millions after he helped ensure our early departure from Viet Nam, something he said he didn't believe would happen as he debated John O'Neil on the Cavitt show. He's not a leader and your experiences with him must be told. I'll be sending my 2nd check to the SBVT on payday as a vote for your freedom of speech. God Bless you all.