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Silent H Member (Idle past 5847 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
I may not be back often, but I was bored tonight, and remembered this site Yeah, I disappeared for a while, then I came back... and now I'm hooked again. Anyhow, nice to see you again. I always like your posts. holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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nator Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Rei addressed the particulars, but I just want to know why you brought up business taxes when I was talking about personal federal income taxes?
Don't change the subject. The Bush tax "cuts" gave an almost one percent increase to the middle class by shifting the tax burden to them. The bush tax cuts reduced the tax burden on those making $1.1 million or more by almost two percent. So, that means that the middle class, which is already struggling in this sluggish economy to pay their bills, send their kids to college, and to save for retirement, were just hit with an increase in their taxes. The rich, who have plenty of money to pay their bills, send their kids to college, save for retirement (if they aren't already retired), just saw their taxes go down about twice as much as the middle class saw their taxes go up. So, I guess you actually don't mind getting a tax increase under Bush, then, eh? That is your answer?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
How would your system work in a time of serious economic downturn, such as in a steep recession or depression? well, that sudden lack of income would kind of hold the government responsible. leaders like Georgie would do what they always do: tax the future. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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AdminAsgara Administrator (Idle past 2330 days) Posts: 2073 From: The Universe Joined: |
Nice to see you again Rei, even if only for a short time.
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5619 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
Rei, You forget there is what Kerry says he will do and their is what Kerry does, he's consistently in the Senate voted to increase Middle Class taxes, how is raising tax on gas at the pump not affecting the middle class, your candidate is not to be trusted, cause he continually flip flops, I agree what he says might sound good, but the problem is Kerry is a con man, giving you his used cars salespitch that hes a cadillac, while his voting record shows hes a lemon, etc...
P.S. The reason he puts forth his questionable ability to lead the military, is his Senate record is anti-american, anti-middle class, anti-military, it appears there is only one thing that Kerry is for, and that is Kerry. The Vets have spoken (he betrayed 2.5 million Vets), he can not be trusted, are you listening(take your fingers out of your ears he's conning you all), its anyone but Kerry, he is quite the lemon, etc...GWB is planting seed for job growth, but Kerry wants to take this seed to tax his social agenda's, etc...
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The Vets have spoken (he betrayed 2.5 million Vets), he can not be trusted, are you listening(take your fingers out of your ears he's conning you all), ... Is an American who protests what he or she believes is counter-productive or illegal behavior by the US betraying his nation? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
In a complex world, I view Bush as being simplistic and straight-forward in his wrongness.
Is that a positive for Bush? That the Kerry positions are complex and maybe conflicting, while the Bush positions are simple and consistent? A lot of voters like simple and consistent, even if it's wrong? Yes, I have a lot of questions, and few answers. Moose
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5619 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
I see GWB more of the statesman while JFK the politician, this is why GWB is seen as being straight forward, honest, and JFK flip flopping cause he is the politician, and is seen as being dishonest, etc..
This message has been edited by whatever, 09-09-2004 02:00 PM
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
I see GWB more of the statesman Because of his amazing skills in diplomacy? "Good evening. I'm playing the role of Jesus; a man once portrayed on the big screen by Jeffery Hunter. You may remember him as the actor who was replaced by William Shatner on Star Trek. Apparently Mr. Hunter was good enough to die for our sins, but not quite up to the task of seducing green women." -Stewie Griffin
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Rei Member (Idle past 7040 days) Posts: 1546 From: Iowa City, IA Joined: |
> he's consistently in the Senate voted to increase Middle Class taxes
Cite the bill numbers, please. > how is raising tax on gas at the pump not affecting the middle class 1) Kerry's support for a 50 cents per gallon tax increase on gasoline was A) not for a voting measure, and was only mentioned in floor discussion B) back when gasoline was 1.01$ per gallon, C) would simply move us closer to most of the rest of the world (do you think, of all of the types of taxes possible, that having it on something like gasoline is a bad place for it? Would you rather it be on income or payroll taxes?) and D) is no longer supported given current gasoline prices. 2) It is such a "wacky" idea that Gregory Mankiw, a Harvard economist on Bush's council of economic advisors, praised the idea in 1999. He wrote an article called "Tax Gas Now!". > cause he continually flip flops Name one. > while his voting record shows hes a lemon, etc... Name a vote. Here's a pretty comprehensive summary of his voting record: A) Environmental regulationB) A military voting record very similar to John McCain's C) Free trade (many Democrats don't, which was actually a problem for Kerry in the primary) D) A tax burden in which the wealthy pay a higher percent rate because they're more able to afford it E) Low taxes on small businesses F) Individual civil liberties (yes, he voted for the Patriot Act, but so did essentially everyone else in the Senate; anyone who didn't, right after 9/11, was risking a clear loss of their seat. Apart from that, he has one of the best civil liberties records in congress on every last issue apart from gun ownership rights) G) (what other issues do you have concerns over?) > The reason he puts forth his questionable ability to lead the military, is his Senate record is anti-american Cite. > anti-middle class Completely and utterly false. Cite. > anti-military If you think McCain is anti-military. Cite. > The Vets have spoken (he betrayed 2.5 million Vets), he can not be trusted You mean, the fact that of the people who have served on his boat, 12 are actively campaigning with him, and there's only one (who served only 2 months with him, and wasn't present for any of the incidents the swift boat vets are citing) who is campaigning against him? Yeah, they sure have. You might want to hear about what some of them are saying now:
http://www.billingsgazette.com/... {Shortened display form of URL, to restore page width to normal - Adminnemooseus} (perhaps they should rename the group to "Swift Boat Veterans for Identity Theft") I could go on for hours on this subject; many of the top leaders of the group are on record previously praising Kerry's heroism, several of them contradict their own medal citations, they all contradict military damage assessment documents (including bullet holes on the craft, and who was present for treating Kerry's wounds) - one even contradicts what he told previously to president Nixon, and is on tape. > GWB is planting seed for job growth, Ah, what seed would this be? The "Hated-By-The-International-Community Daisy"? The "Triple-Dip-Recession Rose"? The "Budget Balance-Me-Not?" I mean, China's economy is roaring, but Bush has had 4 years, and this is what we get, *in addition* to a preposterously huge defecit? This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 09-09-2004 03:52 PM
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
Hi, Rei!
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Rei Member (Idle past 7040 days) Posts: 1546 From: Iowa City, IA Joined: |
Heya Dan Glad to see you're still around. You always were better than Mr. Hombre anyways.
"Illuminant light, illuminate me."
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MrHambre Member (Idle past 1420 days) Posts: 1495 From: Framingham, MA, USA Joined: |
quote:That's exactly what the other 71 virgins said. Welcome back! regards,Esteban "Baby Carrot" Hambre
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5619 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
Rei, Look at the bush adds they testify that Kerry record of voting for taxes is appauling, but agree that kerry wanted to increase gas tax cause it was the global thing to do, however, in america we have not the mass transit that Europe and other countries have, so taxing gasoline to make us comparable to Europe is simply bad politics. You do realize that Kerry is a hero to the communist victory over the US, his picture memorialized in the Saigon War museum, and that China was given our hardened nucleur satellight technology by the Clinton Administration, and Kerry was the car saleman that sold this military sensitive technology to China, it all begs the question is Kerry an American, or is he a globalists. If you sold sensitive nucleur secrets to China, what do you think they would do to you, just think a moment, there are reason the Vets call Kerry a traitor, the problem isn't that Kerry is a democrat, Howard Dean would of been an acceptable candidate, but the media smeared him, cause he wasn't global minded, like Pat Buchanan was smeared for being to radical to close our borders to keep our jobs from leaving via free trade, you all got what you voted for, when you voted for Clinton, cause Pat Buchanan would of closed the borders so Industries would of not been allowed to flee.
P.S. The Veterans know the skinny on Kerry, and its not good, that the media smeared Howard Dean should raise your flag, that its not anyone but Bush, but its anyone but Kerry, the media bias is outrageous, the Vets have raised the flag, and is saying that Kerry didn't honor the flag of those that served, Vets were called butchers, in essence by Kerry, is not the kind of man fit to serve over the men he calls butchers, and to make matters worse he lied in his testimony against the Vets, why would he lie, is because Kerry is a politician(selfish for his career) and not a statesman(honorable), etc... P.S. Kerry is a globalists that why the media smeared Howard Dean, Pat Buchanan would of denied the globalists our industries thats why the media supported Clinton, you all got what you voted for with Clinton, he really had to allow those industried to flee America, or be like Pat Buchanan and be labeled a radical, I never understood why you all wanted to have our jobs shipped out of america, but now you are realizing globalisms is not about us and ours, neither is Kerry, the Vets have raised the flag but like when Clinton was running for president you put your fingers in your ears, and voted for globalisms, which is why Clinton allowed Kerry to sell the Chinese our hardened nucleur chip technologies, Chamberlain too believed in peace without a military, and if it wasn't for America having guns, they would of either been killed or speaking German today, and yes Guns are another right that Kerry would like to take away from the American people, truly the Vets are telling you the truth, but are your ears open, etc...
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
You always were better than Mr. Hombre anyways. You should listen to her, Whatever. As seen above, the lady speaks simple, beautiful truths. "Good evening. I'm playing the role of Jesus; a man once portrayed on the big screen by Jeffery Hunter. You may remember him as the actor who was replaced by William Shatner on Star Trek. Apparently Mr. Hunter was good enough to die for our sins, but not quite up to the task of seducing green women." -Stewie Griffin
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