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derwood
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Message 1 of 82 (35301)
03-26-2003 8:03 AM


... the weakness of the "anti-Darwinist" position. Unable to substantiate claims, unable to intimidate detractors, the anti-Darwinist is content to agree that the thread discussion HIS claims be closed.
Who would have thought?

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judge
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Message 2 of 82 (35351)
03-26-2003 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by derwood
03-26-2003 8:03 AM


Maybe he has more important things to do?

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wj
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Message 3 of 82 (35365)
03-26-2003 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by judge
03-26-2003 4:35 PM


Many other possible explanations are possible. Salty's lack of substantive response to numerous serious questions on his postulations is suggestive.

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wj
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Message 4 of 82 (35392)
03-27-2003 1:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by derwood
03-26-2003 8:03 AM


Salty gives his own unique spin on the now closed discussion
quote:
I just got through being thoroughly abused by a bunch of anonymous intellectual ideologues who are completely and perfectly intolerant to any perspective which threatens their totally indefensible position. Take my advise and preserve your mental and physical health. Most internet forums are nothing but pissing upa rope. Trust me. salty
at terry's place and
quote:
They finally are closing the "Case for Instant Evolution" thread over on evCforum. I got absolutely nowhere except to be abused. Sometimes I think I have masochistic tendencies. salty
also at terry's place
BTW, I remain bemused by this habit of closing threads on this forum. I have seen a number of cases where threads have been closed at the request of the initiator of the tread or, as in the case of the salty thread, by the source of the initial article of discussion. This seems to imply a proprietary interest by the initiator of the thread or some other person heavily involved in the thread. This seems ridiculous to me. If more than one person makes a substantial contribution to a thread then, if there is any valid concept of "ownership" of the thread, it would be communal ownership.
Why should one person have the power, with the agreement of management, to close a thread if they no longer wish to contribute to the discussion or if it is not proceeding in a direction which they like. Closure of a thread should occur when participants no longer post.

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Mammuthus
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Message 5 of 82 (35399)
03-27-2003 3:36 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by wj
03-27-2003 1:58 AM


This is the post before the second one you posted from don
Von: don Gesendet: 26.03.2003 04:39
Salty, I did read your paper and find the idea interesting.
I just have no way deal with the idea because of the lack of research on the subject.
BTW "familiarity breeds contempt" does not mean that the result of familiarity is that we regard the object of familiarity as contemptible rather that we become so familiar with it that it is common.
M: Well well well, don is a creationist and his second sentence shows that even he is aware, somehow, that salty has not supported his assertions..amazing.
I think the thread got closed (it was originally going to be a pause) because salty refused to make any effort to support his statements and he was alone versus several of us who were criticizing him. If there had been more creationists supporting him I think the thread would have stayed open. In any case, I think that this demonstrates that the stranger the ideas put forth by creationists the more discussion is catalyzed i.e. Peter Borger, Fred Williams, and lately salty.
As to the change in administration...Admin has indicated that there will be changes but as of yet we do not know what they will be.

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John A. Davison 
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Message 6 of 82 (35403)
03-27-2003 6:23 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Mammuthus
03-27-2003 3:36 AM


Not that I intend to hang around, but nobody knows anything about evolution except that it has occurred. It is very difficult to provide evidence for mysteries. It is child's play however to expose the Darwinian myth as a joke. It was done a dozen times before I was born. salty P.S. It was not my idea to close the thread, it was moose that made the suggestion.

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Mammuthus
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Message 7 of 82 (35404)
03-27-2003 6:37 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by John A. Davison
03-27-2003 6:23 AM


S:Not that I intend to hang around, but nobody knows anything about evolution except that it has occurred.
M: Or more acurately, YOU don't know anything about evolution except that it occurred. You certainly are not qualified to speak for the rest of us.
S: It is very difficult to provide evidence for mysteries.
M: Oh really? Then it is pretty amazing how far science has come by solving and providing evidence for many phenomenon considered magical or mysterious. The only thing mysterious is that people like you cling to superstitious ga ga and try to claim that it is somehow science.
S: It is child's play however to expose the Darwinian myth as a joke.
M: Then why did you fail so miserably in an entire thread dedicated to you with over 200 posts?
S: It was done a dozen times before I was born.
M: Again, assertion without substantiation....at least you are consistent
S:It was not my idea to close the thread, it was moose that made the suggestion.
M: Moose made the suggestion to pause the thread and let everyone step back. You suggested never reopening it again...so it was your idea to close the thread
"Thank you moose. I agree completely and see no compelling reason to reopen it. salty " Post 2 in "a haitus for the Salty topic? Evolution forum.

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John A. Davison 
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Message 8 of 82 (35407)
03-27-2003 7:13 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by derwood
03-26-2003 8:03 AM


I see that Scott Page is not satisfied that the thread has been closed. He has to reopen the discussion and continue to lash out in his own inimitable fashion. He is a great asset to the search for the truth. He is the perfect poster boy for Darwinian atheistic intolerance of anything that threatens the biggest joke in the history of science. salty

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Message 9 of 82 (35409)
03-27-2003 7:32 AM


Later today I will rename this thread "Salty Discussion Post-mortem" and move it to the Coffee House forum.
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--EvC Forum Administrator

  
John A. Davison 
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Message 10 of 82 (35416)
03-27-2003 7:48 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Mammuthus
03-27-2003 6:37 AM


over 200 posts?
Here is one for the books. Over 200 posts dealing with a moron, coping with bilge, nonsense and mindless speculation? That must be some kind of record! I would think you might have better things to do. It is nothing more than a perfect demonstration of the lengths to which those adherents of the purposeless, random, goaless and Godless must go in order to protect the most pathetic hypothesis in the history of science. I'm writing a paper even more ridiculous than the last. You can whistle for this one. salty

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Percy
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Message 11 of 82 (35418)
03-27-2003 8:01 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by John A. Davison
03-27-2003 7:48 AM


Re: over 200 posts?
I think the reason for the rapid and numerous postings was because it was thought that anyone expressing such certainty must have some pretty compelling evidence. Many of the posts seemed to be requesting evidence.
--Percy

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Mammuthus
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Message 12 of 82 (35421)
03-27-2003 8:08 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by John A. Davison
03-27-2003 7:48 AM


Re: over 200 posts?
S:Here is one for the books. Over 200 posts dealing with a moron, coping with bilge, nonsense and mindless speculation? That must be some kind of record!
M: Nope, others have beat you on that account. But it was more like over 200 posts trying to get you to support your "bilge, nonsense and mindless speculation" as you have termed it.
S:I would think you might have better things to do.
M: Slow week...and it only takes a few minutes to answer your posts since there is never any actual evidence to debate.
S: It is nothing more than a perfect demonstration of the lengths to which those adherents of the purposeless, random, goaless and Godless must go in order to protect the most pathetic hypothesis in the history of science.
M: And this last sentence of your is a perfect demonstration of your incredible bigotry....there are plenty of people who believe in god AND evolution but since you are not a scientist you would not know that...as to defending the most pathetic hypothesis in the history of science, when did you get the impression I or anyone else was defending the semi-meiotic hypothesis? Even you were unwilling to do that!
S: I'm writing a paper even more ridiculous than the last.
M: That is a truly lofty goal
S: You can whistle for this one.
M: I can't whistle while I am smiling
Salty, you have tried varying tactics to try to get me not to respond to you on this forum from insult to self denigration i.e. the second sentence of your post. If you read through many of my posts to you, and Quetzals and Taz' posts you might find a more productive and probably less stressful means of sharing your thoughts. Switch from just making baseless assertions and actually discuss the exact data, arguments, or other forms of evidence that led you to each of your conclusions. We may not agree with you but we will have to support our positions as to why we do not. It is called debate. You might even find it more enjoyable than just coming here to flame us.

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Quetzal
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Message 13 of 82 (35422)
03-27-2003 8:17 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by John A. Davison
03-27-2003 7:48 AM


Re: over 200 posts?
salty, who left evcforum never to return, writes:
Here is one for the books. Over 200 posts dealing with a moron, coping with bilge, nonsense and mindless speculation? That must be some kind of record! I would think you might have better things to do.
Naw, that's nothing. You should check out some of the Peter Borger threads. You're barely in the same league.
and continuing to burble on about nothing, writes:
It is nothing more than a perfect demonstration of the lengths to which those adherents of the purposeless, random, goaless and Godless must go in order to protect the most pathetic hypothesis in the history of science.
Well, certainly the purposeless...Godless bit refers to evolution, but the latter part about "the most pathetic hypothesis in the history of science" is more along the lines of what we spent 200+ posts trying to get you to explain.
and as a final gratuitous insult to those who actually know what they're talking about, salty writes:
I'm writing a paper even more ridiculous than the last. You can whistle for this one. salty
Are you actually going to publish this one in a journal? Even Revista won't publish you any more - and that's saying alot. Or are you praying for acceptance by ISCID? Engle's endorsement isn't something I'd want on my resume if I ever expected to get a real science job. Maybe Discovery Institute will hire you?
As an additional parting shot - the best discussion of your hypothesis is taking place in a thread in which you aren't even participating here. Have fun whining to Terry.

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caligula
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Message 14 of 82 (35429)
03-27-2003 9:19 AM
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03-27-2003 8:01 AM


Re: over 200 posts?
Right, but when we try to post evidence it was brought up that we don't own the copyright. Sounds like an oxymoron.

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John A. Davison 
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Message 15 of 82 (35444)
03-27-2003 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Quetzal
03-27-2003 8:17 AM


Re: over 200 posts?
Where did you get the idea that Rivista won't publish me any more? That is a flagrant lie as far as I know. Do you have to lie now? Apparently you do. One more demonstration of your insecurity. I see you have to denigrate Engle too. I am sure you feel the same way about Dembski, Wells and Behe too? That is what I have come to expect so I am not surprised. Send me a reprint of your own wonderful work, if you have one. Of course that will divulge your precious anonymity, won't it? salty

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