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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 477 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
I giggled for about 2 minutes after reading that sentence.
The Laminator For goodness's sake, please vote Democrat this November!
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6496 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
The Lord will work thru anyone who is sincere, Yaro, yourself included. He works on behalf of the faith of those involved. Maybe God is wanting to work thru you but you have never believed it! ... Isn't this a bit iresponsible? I mean, god ain't gonna do anything to make me belive in him cuz I have to come to that thrugh my free will. Which means there is no guarantee I will be saved to be able to be used for "some good". Mehnwhile two thirds of the world live in abject poverty and a stagering number of chilldrend die every year from mal nutriton and preventable desises. Yet god waits for people to start beliving in him so he can work thrugh them to fix this stuff? Thats ludacriss, and negligent. Especialy when the lord could simply snap his fingers and end all suffering on this earth. I guess my question is, whats the point? Why the middle man?
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Spiritman.8m Inactive Member |
If we say just 'believe in Him' it denotes intellectual belief. However if you have Spiritual experience you know that intellect itself won't get you anywhere. To 'believe on Him' implies full trust and dependance with the heart - which is what God is looking for before He will respond to you...
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 477 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
Uh... shouldn't someone propose a topic for this one? You wouldn't want the cranky moose with the almighty admin mode to come down hard on you.
The Laminator For goodness's sake, please vote Democrat this November!
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Spiritman.8m Inactive Member |
If God just snapped His fingers and fixed everything no one would change their heart and attitude toward greed, malice, violence, and usery of others, etc...
You have a different attitude than most others, your statements reflect it. You see God has set things right in the past but the 'human nature factor' keeps destroying what God wants to do. God gave us ability to 'create' and 'will' to act for His ways or our own. We were created in His image... We are spirit in a physical body and if we move in harmony with His Will, our life will have fulfillment of purpose, for us and others. If we choose what we want... it doesn't work out because it conflicts with what others want for themselves... The example of starving children is a good one because I believe there is the means to feed everybody on the planet.
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Spiritman.8m Inactive Member |
Agreed!
Since I am new and not familiar with proceedures, perhaps someone else could do what needs to be done. Spiritman.8m
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lfen Member (Idle past 4678 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
Led Zeppelin has not registered and appears to have left the building.
Still he started an interesting little thread. It was much easier 2500 years ago to talk of miracles. Seems like there are still many people today who are looking for such things to believe in though they have to go to ancient sources like the Bible to find them. 2500 years ago there were newscamera and investigator and only the earliest form of protoscience. My opinion is God is performing as he always had. It's that there is a lot less room for the televangelists, would be prophets, and faith healers to put their humbug over on people. The priests of Judah came up with the stories of miracles to gain the consent of the Jews to accept their point of view. The really clever innovation they came up with was when the battles went against the Jews they convinced them that it wasn't because Jehovah was not as powerful as they claimed but rather he was punishing the Jews because they hadn't obeyed the priests. This was a double bind in the priest favor. When things went good it was because Jehovah was favoring them and if things went bad it was because they hadn't kept the complicated contract they claimed Moses struck for them. Actually I think this is a trick typical of priests everywhere. Heads they win, and tails they win. Since those times science and rationality have come along but it appears they are just a tiny speed bump on the priest's highway for believers even though the reports of miracles have fallen way off because of the amount of scrutiny available these days. So why isn't it miracle enough that you exist in the universe? lfen "So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,how amazingly unlikely is your birth, And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space, because there's bugger all down here on Earth." Monty Python's Galaxy Song
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
I added the "(Re: God's Miracles - Past and Present)" part.
My impression is that is the main theme, both in message 1 and in the most recent messages. Adminnemooseus Comments on moderation procedures? - Go to Change in Moderation? or Thread Reopen Requests |
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Spiritman.8m Inactive Member |
What makes you think the same type of works of the Spirit of God and communication with Jesus thru the Spirit aren't going on today?
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lfen Member (Idle past 4678 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
I think there is a lot of communication going one with Jesus, Krishna, God, etc. This is an important activity for many people and I think reflects the bredth and depth of the mind.
"same type of works of the Spirit of God"? I was speaking of supernatural miracles that require a violation of physical laws such as the sun standing still or moving backwards. lfen
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Spiritman.8m Inactive Member |
lfen:
That's good you are open, though I won't go there on the subject of "a lot of communication going on ...". There are a great many types of spirits that exist on the spiritual plane... However, Isn't it a great miracle if someone is healed who has a terminal illness the medical profession can't fix? When this person goes back to the doctor who re-tests and can't explain why there is now no sign of the illness, Isn't that miraculous? If God actually 'spoke' and brought the world into being, can He not also stop the world for a day... (in whatever manner it took place) Spiritman.8m
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lfen Member (Idle past 4678 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
Spiritman,
I don't think there was an interuption of natural law in "miraclous" recoveries. The immune system of our organisms is very complex and capable of great healing and there is a role that the mind and consciousness play in that. Andrew Weil M.D. has written a good book on this titled SPONTANEOUS HEALING. I am not that open on spirit communication. I think these are experiences of one part of a person's mind communicating with another part. Sometimes it is useful, other times not so useful and sometimes harmful but not supernatural. I don't think Genesis is meant to be or is a literal account of creation, nor do I think the sun stopped. Maybe the author was talking about a sense of time slowing down that can happen sometimes as a result of lots of adrenalin and used that language cause that was what it felt like, or maybe because it made a good story. I think in many ancient cultures such stories came about. In some sense the alien abduction stories and other strange things come about out of a love of fantastic tales. I still hold that wild kinds of miracles are reported less and less because of science and technology not giving them support and in fact undermining them by cameras, instrumentation, science, etc. On the other hand I have deep sympathy that being at all and the complexity of the universe and life are lovely miracles to behold. lfen
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Spiritman.8m Inactive Member |
lfen
OH ... So you believe nothing exists beyond us in the here and now.Everything that happens supernaturally is simply our abilities playing a role. You should watch the series show, 'Unexplained Mysteries'. It's not a religious show, ... they examine evidence. I'm sure Dr. Weil writes a good story giving theories on how these things take place, but what evidence substantiates that these phenomenon are a result of what he says. Have you examined the evidence of claims for yourself to see if they are true? ... It is said that most people go thru life acting as sheep, that is they believe something because it seems a good idea to them but without substantiating what they believe. Do you do that? Spiritman.8m
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1504 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
spiritman writes: Evidence please. Please produce some verifiable evidence of spirits. As well as types of spirits as well as the current coordinates of the spiritual plane you are refering to. There are a great many types of spirits that exist on the spiritual plane.spiritman writes: Yes a astroid the size of the moon could impact the Earth and stop the Earth permanantly. It is a "miracle" that we creatures on Earth exist at all IMO. can he not stop the world for a day...in what ever manner it took place. "One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche
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Spiritman.8m Inactive Member |
Hi 1.6803...
My comment as to God stopping the world has to based on the premise that you believe the spirit world exists around us. 'Believe' is not to say you make it up in your mind but that you come to acknowledge what you previously were ignorant of or refused to agree was true, and now agree that it is so! The coordinates are right around you, but you need spiritual enablement to 'see' it. Now the evidence can be given if you want it!!!If I say to you that a certain type of mushroom grows in certain places and describe these types of places, would you go look to see for yourself? If I give places where you may look for this evidence and find it, will you go look for yourself? Spiritman.8m
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