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Topic: Congress goes off the deep end
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Omnivorous
Member Posts: 3985 From: Adirondackia Joined: 07-21-2005 Member Rating: 7.2
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Re: wrapping it up
They used to say a liberal is a conservative who has yet to be mugged. I guesss a conservative is a liberal who has yet to be denied his rights. Fill in the blanks: When they came for the _______, I didn't say anything. When they came for the _________, I didn't say anything. When they came for me, there was no one left to say anything. As a practical matter, your freedoms are intertwined with every other person's freedoms. Ask not for whom the chains clank...
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 92 of 126 (354617)
10-05-2006 11:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 86 by Silent H
10-05-2006 5:52 PM
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moving on
You seem almost like an existentialist. From what I read on wiki, almost it the key word there. I need to read more. I like positivism, dislike rationalism. Its late for me, I'll read up late.
I doubt we'll see eye to eye on much That was obvious to me a while ago, and part of the motivation for becoming involved in this thread.
and it worries me, most likely because I view growth in that attitude as resulting in politicians getting away with more.
I'll let them get away with what they want as long as i'm getting away with what I want. When shit starts affecting me is when I'll get involved.
Have you ever been close to people in office? Even as a scientist? I have a friend from high school that is an active politician but that's it. My scientific career has not brought me close to people in politics.
I can't say you are wrong in how you want to live. Who can? I've only lately realized the truth that Jesus spoke, and I realize I have a lot to learn. Enjoying I most certainly am.
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 93 of 126 (354618)
10-05-2006 11:46 PM
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Reply to: Message 87 by nator
10-05-2006 9:01 PM
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Oh, so the golden Rule is optional for a Christian, only appled when convenient? So... from the last post and Oh... from this one. You really like putting words into people's posts, don't you? I'll reply the same.
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Yes, that is exactly what I was saying {/sarcasm} 
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 94 of 126 (354619)
10-05-2006 11:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 91 by Omnivorous
10-05-2006 10:36 PM
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They used to say a liberal is a conservative who has yet to be mugged. They must be wrong then.
I guesss a conservative is a liberal who has yet to be denied his rights. I've had my rights denied too, by the police. That still hasn't turned me liberal.
Fill in the blanks: When they came for the _______, I didn't say anything. When they came for the _________, I didn't say anything. When they came for me, there was no one left to say anything.
I don't get it.
As a practical matter, your freedoms are intertwined with every other person's freedoms. Ask not for whom the chains clank...
But it doesn't seem like that in reality.
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Omnivorous
Member Posts: 3985 From: Adirondackia Joined: 07-21-2005 Member Rating: 7.2
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Whatever.
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 96 of 126 (354623)
10-05-2006 11:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 89 by nator
10-05-2006 9:18 PM
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Most people living under Saddam Hussein led quite normal lives unaffected by their government, too. But for a small minority of Iraqis, life under him was Hell on Earth.
I guess that leaves them 3 options. Conform, leave, or fight.
To me, "Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me" is a profound ethical principle and one I personally take to heart. I also believe that it was incorporated into the ethics of the Bill of Rights of the United States of America. I'm not doing anything to anyone and I don't feel responsible for my govenrment.
then I suppose that you and I have very different principles and ethics. Whatever the reason.....Duh!?
We also have very differing views on how much to trust those in power not to abuse that power. History both ancient and current provides ample reason to distrust. Everything will be OK , I'm not worried about it.
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 97 of 126 (354624)
10-05-2006 11:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 95 by Omnivorous
10-05-2006 11:54 PM
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2931 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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putting a face on it
Hi CS Just sent your series of posts to the terrorist task force. Thought you'd like to know what the next nock on your door will be.
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2931 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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selfish
I don't think its going to affect me very much at all. How self centered can you be? Don't be suprised when they come for you.
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2931 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Re: lets get to the effect
They could change it again. That is not it. This discussion is really starting to bore me. I don't really feel like justifying every clause in this legislation to you. Why did you try then?
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2931 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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not seeing
I just don't feel that affected by the government. I do whatever I want, whenever I want, with no problems. The only time I look to the government is when I need an authority. The reason you can make that claim is because of the form of government we have. You are taken for granted what has been earned and trashing it.
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 102 of 126 (354719)
10-06-2006 7:17 AM
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Reply to: Message 98 by tsig
10-06-2006 4:58 AM
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Re: putting a face on it
Just sent your series of posts to the terrorist task force. Thought you'd like to know what the next nock on your door will be.
Fuck you. Nuff kids. Stop it! AdminJar Edited by AdminJar, : No reason given.
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2931 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Rredfaced
Nuff kids. Stop it! AdminJar sorry just got carried away
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nator
Member (Idle past 2192 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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So, what ARE you saying if it isn't that? Correct my misinterpretation. Also, I notice you didn't answer my question:
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Although, I could say that if I was the terrorist who knew where the bomb was, I would want the enemy to torture me to find out where the bomb is so all those people wouldn't die, so technically, I would be doing onto them what I would want done to me
What on earth makes you think that we would restrict the use of torture to known terrorists? Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.
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nator
Member (Idle past 2192 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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I'm not doing anything to anyone and I don't feel responsible for my govenrment.
You are responsible for your government in a democracy, no matter if you "feel" you are or not. Our government is "OF the people". So, if you don't care if your government tortures people or erodes civil liberties or marches towards Authoritarianism and Fascism, it is the same as you torturing people, you taking away civil liberties, you paving the way of the Authoritarian direction it is taking. "Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers (through your government), that you do unto me."
then I suppose that you and I have very different principles and ethics. quote:
Whatever the reason.....Duh!?
I'm sorry. I wasn't clear. I am saying that I think your principles and ethics are greatly lacking.
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