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Nuggin
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Message 91 of 150 (237329)
08-26-2005 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by Tal
08-26-2005 11:49 AM


Re: Well, I cannot defend Rev. Robertson, Faith
Also, couldn't help but notice that you quoted Abe Lincoln.
Funny how you're tag is anti-gay, but you'll site a gay reference when it suits you

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Tal
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Message 92 of 150 (237334)
08-26-2005 1:18 PM
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08-26-2005 1:11 PM


Re: Well, I cannot defend Rev. Robertson, Faith
That's a very bigotted comment.

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Tal
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Message 93 of 150 (237336)
08-26-2005 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Nuggin
08-26-2005 1:09 PM


Re: Well, I cannot defend Rev. Robertson, Faith
This, however, doesn't make us a "Christian Nation".
It does in my mind, but my original intent was to counter this statement.
a preacher tried to tell me that America was founded on Christianity, and that the founding fathers were born-again Christians
And I have done so.

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Faith 
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Message 94 of 150 (237339)
08-26-2005 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by Rahvin
08-26-2005 1:00 PM


Though Pat is not a particular favorite of mine I'm beginning to think he will get a nice welcome from Jesus for suffering persecution for His name.
Excuse me?
Are we talking about the same Jesus? You know, the one who said to turn the other cheek, and to love your neighbor?
Assassination as a valid alternative to all-out war, while a queesy subject, is worth being discussed in the military.
However, A Christian Minister should never be advocating murder, regardless of the reasons.
Obviously this hinges on the meaning of the term "murder." Some killing is just and not prohibited but even commanded by God, such as the execution of murderers and other violators of His Law. These days people have things so upside down about the commandment not to kill that they indignantly object to executing murderers, which is a rebellion against God's commandment and tramples the rights and honor of the murdered innocents.
You also confuse God's commands to the individual to "turn the other cheek" with His clear commands about how to run a nation. And please tell me how it is loving one's neighbor to justify the guilty and ignore the claims of the innocent who are oppressed by the guilty?
Robertson isn't taking heat becuase he mentioned assassination - he's taking heat because, as a Christian minister, he said some very un-Christian things. He's straight-up supporting a direct violation of one of the Ten Commandments, not to mention everything Jesus stood for.
There are many reasons he is taking heat and yours is just another to add to the collection. However, it is you who are in violation of the Ten Commandments if you refuse to support the execution of a violator of those commandments according to God's own Law.
{EDIT: I don't have a clear opinion about assassination myself, or any particular assassination yet either, I'm merely making a general point here.
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Theodoric
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Message 95 of 150 (237340)
08-26-2005 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by Tal
08-26-2005 1:20 PM


Re: Well, I cannot defend Rev. Robertson, Faith
OK Tal, I will make it easy now. If you make a statement you must provide proof. Please provide evidence that the Founding Fathers were born again christians. Just because a preacher said so does not make it true. The statement implies that all were, but if you can show me that 1/2 were I will give you the argument. Even if they were it wouldn't mke us a christian nation. Again, I wll state that our laws are based on the Constitution. Where in there does it mention a god or christianity.
Finally, it doesn't matter what you think. Whether we are a Christian nation is based upon law and tradition. Neither shows us to be a Christian Nation. Are we a nation made up primarily of christians? Yes. ANd if we were a Christain nation, whose version of christianity do you think we should follow? Yours?

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Theodoric
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Message 96 of 150 (237342)
08-26-2005 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Faith
08-26-2005 1:27 PM


However, it is you who are in violation of the Ten Commandments if you refuse to support the execution of a violator of those commandments according to God's own Laws
Faith, Can you explain?

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Faith 
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Message 97 of 150 (237343)
08-26-2005 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Theodoric
08-26-2005 1:31 PM


Re: Well, I cannot defend Rev. Robertson, Faith
Yes. ANd if we were a Christain nation, whose version of christianity do you think we should follow? Yours?
The Calvinist Christianity of the vast majority of Americans at the time of the founding is what the nation should follow. It was they who thought the Constitution supported their interests and protected their religion, they who supported the First Amendment because they thought it promised that kind of protection and support. In fact they were the source of the very idea of religious tolerance, poor betrayed people.

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Coragyps
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Message 98 of 150 (237346)
08-26-2005 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Faith
08-26-2005 1:27 PM


Some killing is just and not prohibited but even commanded by God, such as......
.....killing all the perfectly innocent children (or just the male ones) of some neighboring nation whose land you'd like to take.
Yeah.

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Nuggin
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Message 99 of 150 (237347)
08-26-2005 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by Tal
08-26-2005 1:20 PM


Re: Well, I cannot defend Rev. Robertson, Faith
We're all saying YES or NO to "We're a Christian Nation". But we haven't defined what that term means.
Tal says he believes we are a Christian Nation. What does that mean to you, Tal.
Are we a nation ruled by Biblical Law (like the Muslim Nations are ruled the Koran?) Are we a nation who has a large number of Christians living here?
Let's figure out what we are arguing about before we start pulling quotes that may or may not be relivent.

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Theodoric
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Message 100 of 150 (237348)
08-26-2005 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Faith
08-26-2005 1:35 PM


Re: Well, I cannot defend Rev. Robertson, Faith
SO the hell with the Catholics and Lutherans. Do we deport all the followers of Muhammed, Hindi and Jews? Or just make them follow christian laws?

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Nuggin
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Message 101 of 150 (237349)
08-26-2005 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Faith
08-26-2005 1:27 PM


Throwing Stones
Some killing is just and not prohibited but even commanded by God, such as the execution of murderers and other violators of His Law. These days people have things so upside down about the commandment not to kill that they indignantly object to executing murderers
Which God? OT or NT? Seems like OT G was big on the killing. Kill everyone for every crime.
Faith, weren't you the one talking about throwing the first stone. Have you actually read that part of the Bible? Seems like you are contradicting yourself

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Tal
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Message 102 of 150 (237350)
08-26-2005 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Theodoric
08-26-2005 1:31 PM


Re: Well, I cannot defend Rev. Robertson, Faith
If you make a statement you must provide proof. Please provide evidence that the Founding Fathers were born again christians.
I already provided you a bunch of quotes.
Can we reasonably assume from those quotes that they were born again christians? I say yes. Can we prove it?
No.

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Nuggin
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Message 103 of 150 (237351)
08-26-2005 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Faith
08-26-2005 1:27 PM


This is not a Death Penalty Thread
There are many reasons he is taking heat and yours is just another to add to the collection. However, it is you who are in violation of the Ten Commandments if you refuse to support the execution of a violator of those commandments according to God's own Law.
We're getting off topic, so I'm going to start a Death Penalty thread for this stuff.

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Faith 
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Message 104 of 150 (237352)
08-26-2005 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by Theodoric
08-26-2005 1:34 PM


God called for the execution of violators of His Laws, but today's prissy Christians turn God's laws upside down and call it a violation of His law to execute violators of His law. They insist that "thou shalt not kill" prohibits the state from the just execution of the GUILTY, that is, violators of the Law, rather than a command against the murder of INNOCENTS. It seems obvious to me but people seem to be so attracted to their false idea of mercy as tolerating every kind of evil thing, and they even impute that to Jesus.

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Theodoric
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Message 105 of 150 (237353)
08-26-2005 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Faith
08-26-2005 1:43 PM


So Chavez deserves death? What did he do? I am so confused.

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