You will call them racist, hateful, oppressive, Nazis, child abusers, brain washers, primitive, etc.
Nice straw man argument.
If I call someone a racist, it will be because they are a racist, and whether they are conservative or liberal will be beside the point (Gibson? Richards?).
If I call someone oppressive, it will be because they are oppressive, and whether they are conservative or liberal will be beside the point.
If I call someone a Nazis, it will be because they are a Nazis, and whether they are conservative or liberal will be beside the point.
If I call someone a child abuser, it will be because they are a child abuser, and whether they are conservative or liberal will be beside the point.
If I call someone a brain washers, it will be because they are a brain washers, and whether they are conservative or liberal will be beside the point.
But I would never call anyone "primitive" -- that IS a term of bigotry eh? A more likely term is "backward" -- as in actively retrograde -- or "willfully ignorant" ... and again it would be because they are "backward" or "willfully ignorant" and whether they are conservative or liberal will be beside the point.
Really? I wouldn't believe this from conservatives or liberals without some sort of proof it's happening.
Run up the biggest deficit in US history, invade a country on lies and misrepresentations because you want to invade them, while at the same time giving no bid contracts and big tax "rebates" to your rich friends.
Really? Not even on a mistake? Exactly how are you going to guarantee avoiding that?
By erring on the side of doubt, and double checking the facts: such as waiting for a recount to establish the truth of the vote, waiting for the inspectors on the ground in the field to finish their job before concluding a result NOT born out by facts. And it was not a guarantee, it was a promise.
We already can see a doctor regardless of our ability to pay. It's posted as a right in the emergency room of our local hospital.
Emergency room care for childhood colds is NOT cost effective NOR is it proper use of medical facilities, but it IS what some families are reduced to when they have no other means.
This isn't medical care, it's the last stage before complete failure. Real medical care is PROactive - preventing small problems from becoming life threatening BIG problems that end up in ER.
I heard that promise from the conservatives, too.
You also heard them tell you lies about liberals in this regard. You also see them abrogating that promise to launch a war on a country that had nothing to do with a certain mass murderer that killed ~3,000 people on our soil and who is STILL free and where the hunt for him has been hampered by the loss of resources AND compromised by the loss of integrity and moral high ground due to the false war in Iraq, to say nothing of it being the BEST recruiting tool that Al Queda could have WISHED for.
US invades Afghanistan to find OBL = ~world wide support
US invades Iraq based on lies and misinformation = ~world wide condemnation + reason for arabs and muslims to join forces against the US
US claims Geneva convention doesn't apply, actually and actively uses torture, uses "enemy combatant" and "rendering" and GITMO as excuses to disregard US and international conventions, agreements and treaties = total loss of any moral high ground that came from US declaration of independence, constitution, laws enhancing equality and freedom, legal precepts based on being innocent until proven guilty, etcetera.
This administration has done more damage to the USof(N)A than OBL did. They've killed more americans than OBL, and
in addition they have killed many many more innocent Iraqi AND trampled the constitution and several international treaties in the process. AND in the meantime, the number of terrorists has grown and the number of terrorist attacks on Americans has increased.
If you call that protection, then you should find a liberal version refreshing.
I hope that's true, but I see no evidence of it. I've heard more than once, right here on good ol' EVC, that teaching my children my religious beliefs is child abuse, and it is generally liberals who decree that spanking a child, even one time, is child abuse and scars them for life.
What we object to is any attempt to teach MY children YOUR beliefs (regardless of who "you" is and "what" those beliefs are), particularly as SCIENCE instead of comparative religion and philosophy (where ALL beliefs get equal time).
Really? That will be awesome. I sure hope it's true, but you know, this isn't the first time the democrats have had a majority in congress.
Yeah, I know. We are also dealing with politicians in a system that is
de facto corrupted by the need for vast amounts of cash to get re-elected, where independents are shut out and only party hacks get a chance.
The real question will be whether the transgressors are protected by colleagues or not. Personally I think there will be enough in-fighting between factions to prevent anyone getting away with this - they don't have that big a majority and it is NOT monolithic in the way the GOP was.
I also have a basic problem with any group that has their own "ethics" committee to police themselves -- whether it is politicians, the military, or big business. See comments on
Evolution of Governments, particularly
Message 34
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