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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
hell, why not? From a moral point of view, what they did could be considered unforgivable. But, from a legal point of view, we don't try minors as adults so we should let them out.
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rgb Inactive Member |
CS writes
quote:Some would argue that sociopathic children can never be cured. Perhaps our current legal system is ill equipped to deal with such an issue?
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Some would argue that sociopathic children can never be cured. Perhaps our current legal system is ill equipped to deal with such an issue? Their sentence was indefinite - they have been released on parole, which they will spend the rest of their lives on...having to report to a parole officer. They can be imprisoned indefinitely should there be concern about the risk they pose. I think, given the complexities of these situations, this is a pretty good solution. If they remained evidently sociopathic in the 8 years they were in custody, they wouldn't be released.
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: George W. Bush used to blow up frogs by sticking firecrackers in them. Explains a lot.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Some would argue that sociopathic children can never be cured. Perhaps our current legal system is ill equipped to deal with such an issue? Perhaps.
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rgb Inactive Member |
Modulous writes
quote:Yet, I was able to go through middle school and high school without anyone knowing I was racist. It is called adaptation to whatever social role you are expected to take. For some people, hiding their hidden desires or real personality is not only possible but essential (guess where I got this phrase from). I can only tell you that I realized very early on that most people would have treated me differently if they found out I hated and looked down upon people of other races. Even though I was still racist inside, I was able to change my outward appearance. I even began to hang out with black students. Racism is a relatively mild sociopathic behavior, and yet it was that hard for me to change. Imagine a worse form of such a personality disorder. I can't say if these boys have been "cured" or not. What I can say is if it was up to me I wouldn't have risked more innocent lives just so a couple of "ex"-sociopathic individuals could have a chance at.. what, stuff more battery acid down other people's throats? But say that it was right for the legal system to let these two out. I want to see them do something amazing with their lives, like become the next saints.
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Legend Member (Idle past 5006 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
quote: you seem to have far more confidence in the British penitentiary system than the evidence suggests. Edited by Legend, : spelling "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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rgb Inactive Member |
schrafinator writes
quote:Really? Is there a link where I can read this?
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rgb Inactive Member |
Legend writes
quote:While I cannot say anything about the British legal system, I can tell you that sex offenders in the States have the highest rate of criminal recidivism, especially when their crimes involve children. And yet, we continue to release them into the world to rape/molest more innocents. Our legal system was established based on the concept that we would rather release 100 guilty convicts rather than imprison 1 innocent individual. I can't say I've made up my mind on this yet. Does anyone here agree or disagree with this? If so, why or why not?
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MangyTiger Member (Idle past 6354 days) Posts: 989 From: Leicester, UK Joined: |
rgb writes: I can tell you that sex offenders in the States have the highest rate of criminal recidivism From Message 6:
crashfrog writes: There's only one kind of criminal in the US with a lower rate of recidivism than sex offenders Either of you got any figures? Never put off until tomorrow what you can put off until the day after
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MangyTiger Member (Idle past 6354 days) Posts: 989 From: Leicester, UK Joined: |
As per Message 25 you and rgb have claimed pretty much exact opposites about rates of recidivism - hopefully one of you can produce some figures to back up their claim.
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
frogs and firecrackers
Also, remember this?:
Bush is a effed-up individual In 1999, during the 2000 Republican Presidential primary race, conservative commentator Tucker Carlson interviewed Bush for Talk Magazine (September 1999, p. 106). Excerpt from this interview is quoted below: In the weeks before the execution, Bush says, a number of protesters came to Austin to demand clemency for Karla Faye Tucker. "Did you meet with any of them?" I ask. Bush whips around and stares at me. "No, I didn't meet with any of them," he snaps, as though I've just asked the dumbest, most offensive question ever posed. "I didn't meet with Larry King either when he came down for it. I watched his interview with Tucker, though. He asked her real difficult questions like, 'What would you say to Governor Bush?'" "What was her answer?" I wonder. "'Please,'" Bush whimpers, his lips pursed in mock desperation, "'don't kill me.'" I must look shocked ” ridiculing the pleas of a condemned prisoner who has since been executed seems odd and cruel ” because he immediately stops smirking. Stone cold bastard. Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I talk with minors that have committed heinous crimes, some of whom are confused, some remorseful, and others just distantly crazy.
I believe that anyone under 12 is as much a victim as a villain and should be given the chance at Psychiatric care. i once knew a boy of 14 who had participated in brutally murdering a teacher and bashing her with a rock. He was given an opportunity to come clean and confess to the system but tried to fight his crime.....and as a result is now serving LIFE plus 14 years. the court of appeals and the supreme court turned down his pleas for resentencing. Lorenzo was so young when I met him, and i think that proper counseling and mentoring may have saved his life....but as the state says, what about the teacher? A beautiful 29 year old who was mangled by three kids greed for her car. “There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, "All right, then, have it your way” --C.S.Lewis
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rgb Inactive Member |
MangyTiger writes
quote:I was thinking that Crashfrog was being sarcastic. But if you must, the following is taken from the federal bureau of justice statistics. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm Under "Recidivism", it says:
quote: Right after, it deals with sex offenders only.
quote: I have underlined what I think are important statements regarding our question. While sex offenders are less likely to commit ANY crime after release, they are 4 times more likely than other offenders to recommit their sex crimes. Crashfrog was right that murder (homicide) related crimes seems to indicate less rate of recidivism than sex crimes.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I was thinking that Crashfrog was being sarcastic. I wasn't being sarcastic. From
Sex offender - Wikipedia quote: This statement is supported from this report from the NCIA:
No webpage found at provided URL: http://66.165.94.98/stories/SexOffendersReport.pdf quote: quote: I have underlined what I think are important statements regarding our question. I think you've made an enormous error in suggesting that the data you've underlined (or any of the rest of it) supports your contention that "sex offenders in the States have the highest rate of criminal recidivism". Unless you mean to suggest, in an unclear way, that sex offenders in the United States system have a higher recidivism rate than sex offenders in other countries. It's certainly the case that such rates are higher for such persons in the US compared to the UK or Canada, but I'm not aware that the numbers indicate that the US is the highest worldwide. Certainly the contention that, within the US, sex offenders have even a high recidivisim rate is not supported by the Bureau of Justice or any other source.
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