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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I'm giving you the freakin' definition of the word. You're not humpty-dumpty and words don't mean what you want them to mean. Sorry to burst everyone's bubble here, but there is nothing pejorative about calling someone pro-abortion. Actually, the terms pro-life and pro-choice are classic examples of Humpty-Dumpty definitions. I'll give the folk marketing the anti-abortion, pro-forced parenthood, pro-rape parenthood, pro-incest parenthood, pro illicit abortion, pro uncontrolled abortion position lots of credit for choosing the moniker "pro-life". But the fact is that they did just decide what the words would mean. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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slevesque Member (Idle past 4671 days) Posts: 1456 Joined: |
You're a part of society. Your approach is part of the problem. You're one of those who is failing to provide the resources. You do realize that quebec is the most taxed part of north america ? You do realize my father gives 55% of his salary to the government ? I am the one paying for abortions here in quebec. I am the one paying for the late abortions we send over in Kansas. I am the one paying for everything in the medical system. And if the government decided to give more ressources to woman who wanted to keep their babies, I would be the one paying for it.
Maybe your Christian community needs to focus some of its efforts closer to home. Instead of complaining about the choices that women make, maybe you need to make the alternatives more attractive. As I said earlier in this thread, we do both. We support financially a home for woman who decided to have the child.
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slevesque Member (Idle past 4671 days) Posts: 1456 Joined: |
Sorry for being rude, but when, in a sentence, I want to refer to the collection of persons who are for legalized abortion, it is perfectly legitimate that I use the appropriate word for this.
There is certainly a difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion, and when the nuance is needed in one way or another, I just use the appropriate word. But in most situations, both words can be used and in those cases I am free to use whichever one. Although I guess, seeing as it offends everyone, I could use pro-choice in those situations.
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slevesque Member (Idle past 4671 days) Posts: 1456 Joined: |
Actually, the terms pro-life and pro-choice are classic examples of Humpty-Dumpty definitions. I'll give the folk marketing the anti-abortion, pro-forced parenthood, pro-rape parenthood, pro-incest parenthood, pro illicit abortion, pro uncontrolled abortion position lots of credit for choosing the moniker "pro-life". But the fact is that they did just decide what the words would mean. There is a difference between inventing a new word you like, and giving it a definition, and taking a pre-existing word, who already has a definition, and redefine it how you like it ...
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Then you have no issue if we call you anti-choice?
"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
slevesque writes:
You said yourself that not enough was being done. So do more. Lobby for higher taxes or do more privately so the government doesn't have to do it for you. And if the government decided to give more ressources to woman who wanted to keep their babies, I would be the one paying for it. "I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
slevesque writes: Actually, the terms pro-life and pro-choice are classic examples of Humpty-Dumpty definitions. I'll give the folk marketing the anti-abortion, pro-forced parenthood, pro-rape parenthood, pro-incest parenthood, pro illicit abortion, pro uncontrolled abortion position lots of credit for choosing the moniker "pro-life". But the fact is that they did just decide what the words would mean. There is a difference between inventing a new word you like, and giving it a definition, and taking a pre-existing word, who already has a definition, and redefine it how you like it ... But in the case of the terms "pro-life" and "pro-choice" it was an example of both creating and redefining new words. Choosing to create and define "pro-life" was a brilliant marketing ploy. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
slevesque writes:
Then do that here. There is certainly a difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion, and when the nuance is needed in one way or another, I just use the appropriate word. "I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"
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onifre Member (Idle past 2981 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined:
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I'm still seeing a difference between the potential of a diploid to develop into a person and the lack of the potential of a haploid to without another haploid to join with. I continue to contend that a daploid-(zygote) only has the potential to become an embryo. If it doesn't though, that zygote has no more potential to become a human than the previous haploid. Haploid - potential to be a zygote. Zygote - potential to be an embryo. Embryo - potential to be a fetus. Fetus - potential to be born, and what would then be considered a baby with the potential for toddler age, teenage years, and finally an adult...which, if it's a female, has the potential to get DP'd by me and a friend.
If that's the person's reason for holding their particular moral position, and they're comfortable without being able to pinpoint the emergence of the soul, then that's gonna be their reason regardless. It doesn't really matter that you don't like it Not like it? Ha, I love it. Because they can't produce evidence and they remove themselves from the debate for that very reason. - Oni
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onifre Member (Idle past 2981 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Oni, Wow. You got to me. Well done.
Thanks, brotha. - Oni
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slevesque Member (Idle past 4671 days) Posts: 1456 Joined: |
define anti-choice
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
No, but I guess it makes you pro-freespeech. Which is why I consider myself pro-choice and not pro-abortion. I think women should have the right to an abortion, but I do wish that no abortions took place. The same for free speech and flag burning.
If you are for abortions to be legal. Then you are pro-abortion. If I am for legalization then I am pro-legalization. That is what the "pro-" portion means, it means "for". We support the legal aspect, not the medical aspect.
There is nothing in calling someone pro-abortion that mean they rejoice at the idea of abortions. Pro-abortion literally means "for abortions". No one here is for abortions. We are for legalization.
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slevesque Member (Idle past 4671 days) Posts: 1456 Joined: |
As I said it's a nuance, pro-choice means someone who is for abortion to be legal and that the choice to abort or not is woman's choice.
So a pro-choice is automatically pro-abortion, but pro-abortion not necessarily pro-choice (although it would be weird to be for legal abortions. but wanting someone else to decide for the woman ...)
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
define anti-choice Anti-choice would be the position where someone is against the idea that a woman and a doctor should make the choice of whether to abort a pregnancy or not. Pro-choice is the position where someone believes that such a choice should be made by a woman and her doctor.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
As I said it's a nuance, pro-choice means someone who is for abortion to be legal and that the choice to abort or not is woman's choice. It is an important nuance nonetheless, just as the nuance between the pro-freespeech and pro-flagburning positions, or between anti-temperance and pro-alcoholism.
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