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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Look at them goalposts run. What goalposts? God made everything from nothing, that has always been the goalpost, we will never be able to do that, since we've already determined, that matter can neither be created, or destroyed. You act as if I represent creationists or something, I do not. I just believe in God.
That's like saying your supper isn't really supper unless you grew all the food yourself. That is a bad analogy, I won't even debate it.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
But these same compounds have been created countless times before in various apparatuses (apparati?). The word "created" is a dangerous word. Technically speaking, they were only put together, or made, not created from scratch like the OP says.
The point of the experiment isn't to disprove god the creator, riverrat. I never said it was.
Anyway, I'm just curious. Are you against genetic engineering of any kind? I don't know enough to have a stance on it. But surely there is a line that should be drawn somewhere. Obviously not if helps us. But I want to be assured that any "created" life, will not destroy us. The movie Frankenstein comes to mind.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
riVeRraT writes: God made everything from nothing, that has always been the goalpost, we will never be able to do that... No, that's never been the goalpost. The goalpost is "Can we create life?" Whether or not it has been created before by gods or monsters is completely irrelevant.
quote: That is a bad analogy, I won't even debate it. If you don't debate it, it stands. “Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels ------------- Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
No, that's never been the goalpost. The goalpost is "Can we create life?" Whether or not it has been created before by gods or monsters is completely irrelevant. It's not my goalpost, that is the problem.My belief's in God coincide with, where did the whole universe come from to begin with anyway? Not, let's build so called life in a petri dish. I have always thought that was possible. The movie Johnny Five comes to mind. Define "create". Tell me something, if this life made in a petri dish, never reproduces, or evolves, is it life?
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Parasomnium Member Posts: 2224 Joined: |
riVeRtaT writes: Tell me something, if this life made in a petri dish, never reproduces, or evolves, is it life? I resent that! I don't evolve, and I'm not planning on reproducing. But I'm very much alive, thank you. "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin. Did you know that most of the time your computer is doing nothing? What if you could make it do something really useful? Like helping scientists understand diseases? Your computer could even be instrumental in finding a cure for HIV/AIDS. Wouldn't that be something? If you agree, then join World Community Grid now and download a simple, free tool that lets you and your computer do your share in helping humanity. After all, you are part of it, so why not take part in it?
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
riVeRraT writes: My belief's in God coincide with, where did the whole universe come from to begin with anyway? Not, let's build so called life in a petri dish. It's the same thing, really.
Define "create". For all intents and purposes, create = make. Forget that ex nihilo crap.
Tell me something, if this life made in a petri dish, never reproduces, or evolves, is it life? That's a very interesting question. If it doesn't evolve, is it really life? If they can make it reproduce perfectly, they can prevent it from evolving. “Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels ------------- Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
I don't evolve, and I'm not planning on reproducing. Evolve can be a relative term, so you mean to tell me you haven't changed at all since you were young? Plus planning on reproducing, and be able to, are two separate issues.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
For all intents and purposes, create = make. Forget that ex nihilo crap. Not to me, when it comes to this subject.
If they can make it reproduce perfectly, they can prevent it from evolving. Somehow, I just doubt that. I bet you it will be a mule.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
riVeRraT writes: quote: Not to me, when it comes to this subject. There you go then, you're setting your own goalposts. You're setting up the requirements so that science can't win.
quote: Somehow, I just doubt that. I bet you it will be a mule. Oh c'mon. Even I know more biology than that. “Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels ------------- Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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molbiogirl Member (Idle past 2672 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: |
They are only combining existing compounds, and making a biological machine. No. We start from elements. You know. The periodic chart? (And when I say we, I mean we. I work on ribozymes.)
The only thing I am worried about is if their so called "life" is successful, will it run amok? (7 messages later)
Tell me something, if this life made in a petri dish, never reproduces, or evolves, is it life? Which is it, rat?
Evolve can be a relative term, so you mean to tell me you haven't changed at all since you were young? You know better than that, rat.I am not going to address the definition of evolution here. AL will eat, "breathe", move, reproduce. By even the most rudimentary definition, this constitutes life. And it will evolve (insertions, deletions, point mutations, etc.). After all, nobody's perfect, not even AL.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3976 Joined: |
Thread copied to the AL (Artificial Life) and the people who love it thread in the Origin of Life forum, this copy of the thread has been closed.
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