Gorilla strength

Say the deadlift is forced some how.The bench press, I imagine it would be hard to get the animal to want to bench the weight in the first place. But I imagined laying him on his back, with a ceiling coming down on him. 500LB of force, i have no doubt he would keep the ceiling from coming down on him.What we all keep missing here is "power", while with greater strength you should create greater power, these animals have tremendous amounts of power, especially under adrenaline.I have no doubt the animal would deadlift 2000LB untrained, and possibly over 800LB in one hand alone.If the deadlifts have to be forced, it is possible by using a special "lifting straps" with hooks on them, similar to humans use.The straps would have to of course be super heavy duty, possbly made out of kevlar and strapped so tight to the rists that the anmila has no choice but to lift that weight off the ground.I have no doubt that while these animals strenght is amazing, their POWER is astonishing.The same power that would allow a 500LB animal to cross a 20 ft chasm.I saw the shoulder, neck and trap structure on that ape Casey. ANd then to top it off, they have so much more inherient POWER than the most trained human being.This is definately interesting, and im now wanting to see two near 600LB roided up, trained angry gorillas going at it.

I would like to see a male gorilla face a liger. 1200lb of pure lion+tiger muscle!Wiki liger page: Liger - Wikipedia

Casey is certainly a very powerful animal. Recently there have been a number of gorilla escapes from zoos which show that even large gorillas are able to jump moats and climb glass and apparently smooth concrete walls because of their incredible muscular power. On a weight for weight basis, I would say that the gorilla, and probably specifically the eastern lowland subspecies, is the strongest of all mammals. Regarding zoo escapes, there was the case of Jabari at Dallas zoo (tragically shot to death by police after he broke down a door, jumped a wide moat and vaulted over a high wall after being taunted by teenagers, and after zoo staff bungled attempts to tranquilise him; Little Joe at Franklin Park (several escapes); Bokito at Berlin - there are numerous instances of gorillas performing seemingly impossible escape feats. Here are some links:
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http://lists.ibiblio.org/...onkeywire/2004-March/000553.html
http://lists.ibiblio.org/...monkeywire/2004-June/000626.html06/23/04 Berlin, Germany
Silverback gorilla scales 15-foot glass barrier wall to escape his enclosure at Berlin Zoo. 260-pound gorilla bolts toward antelope enclosure before he is subdued by narcotic dart and confined. (United Press International)Bokito the gorilla has a day out at the zoo
(Filed: 24/06/2004)
Parents and children fled in panic when Bokito, a 22-stone silverback gorilla, decided to sample life on the other side of his compound at Berlin zoo.The eight-year-old great ape vaulted a 15-foot plate-glass wall in front of his quarters and strolled over to a bench where he sat scratching his chest. Two zookeepers tried to lead him away but Bokito gently but firmly resisted. When a vet arrived, Bokito finally gave way and got up with a sigh to walk hand-in-hand with the keepers as far as the antelope house, where he decided to take another break.Traditionally people have assumed that apes could not jump very high because their power seems to be concentrated in their upper body. This is now known to be incorrect - it is correct that the upper body of an ape is more powerful than the lower, but the lower body is still immensely powerful. A recent study on a 34 kg Bonobo chimp found that it was easily able to produce a vertical jump of 0.78 metres which was twice as high as the jump of seasoned human athletes weighing 61 kg. The legs and hips of the bonobo were producing over twice the power output per muscle mass than that of the human athletes (remember this is an untrained zoo animal compared with trained athletes in their prime). The bonobo was almost jumping as high as it's neck when standing upright, which would be like a tall basketball player jumping 5-6 ft. off the court! See Proceedings of the Royal Soc series B 2006 vol 273, p. 2177-2184 (Vertical jumping performance of bonobo Pan paniscus suggests superior muscle properties, by Scholz, M.N. et al).Anyone who has ever watched gorillas snap giant bamboo stems will wonder how they appear to do it so effortlessly. Tests on 4 inch diameter bamboo using mechanical 'arms' suggest it takes 580 kg of force before they begin to snap. Wildlife artist Eric Wilson mentions taking a sample of bamboo that had been snapped by a male gorilla and which he was unable to break even when jumping on it. As regards the pulling power of a silverback, Jack Thropp relates how a tug of war apparatus was set up for the zoo gorilla Cameroun..."We had to find a material durable enough to use for a pull. The first material was a 1,000 lb test nylon chain. Cameroun just laid it across his chest and "Samson-like" popped it into pieces. A steel chain was tried, but was too noisy and it kinked. A cotton rope was quickly turned into a frayed rag and hemp rope untwisted. Success was finally achieved with braid-woven nylon rope."
The Ringling Bros circus gorilla Gargantua, who had a tragic life, was always up for a tug-of-war with volunteer contestants, although each time he threw the end of the rope out, he would shorten it somewhat, thus hoping to lure the opponents to within biting distance! In his book on Gargantua, Plowden claims that Gargantua had the strength of 27 men, but surely this would be an exageration. The circus also promoted him as a 500 lb 'monster' when in fact Gargantua was not large for an adult male gorilla (possibly as a result of intestinal damage due to chemical poisoning when he was an infant) and weighed well less than 400 lbs when he died. Another gorilla Willie B was given the opportunity to play tug-of-war and always won when he wanted to pull against crowds of people and zoo staff, but seemed more concerned with getting all the rope into his cage where he could play with it. There are numerous other cases of gorillas performing exceptional feats of strength. Bushman of Chicago Zoo was able to stretch a penumatic car tyre the length of his armspread - a seemingly impossible task and yet he was observed doing just that.
Testing jsut how strong a gorilla is however would be very difficult. The only known dynamometer tests I have seen were done on chimps.
"In tests at the Bronx Zoo in 1924, a dynamometer--a scale that measures the mechanical force of a pull on a spring--was erected in the monkey house. A 165-pound male chimpanzee named "Boma" registered a pull of 847 pounds, using only his right hand (although he did have his feet braced against the wall, being somewhat hip, in his simian way, to the principles of leverage). A 165-pound man, by comparison, could manage a one-handed pull of about 210 pounds. Even more frightening, a female chimp, weighing a mere 135 pounds and going by the name of Suzette, checked in with a one-handed pull of 1,260 pounds. (She was in a fit of passion at the time; one shudders to think what her boyfriend must have looked like next morning.)"Gorillas are magnificent animals that just want to live in peace. They deserve our admiration and respect. I only hope they can continue to survive in their natural habitat which is being threatened from many sides.Johhno

Sorry mate, but you're wrong about a human being unable to defeat a bear. Gene Lebell, Judo and Karate Legend and ex professional wrestler, instigated a fight with a bear once, and defeated it, and there is of course the video of a bear being subdued with BJJ, although only enough to stop it attacking the woman it is attacking.

As has already been noted, details of the the alleged grizzly bear vs lion fight are sketchy at best and I don't think you can place much credence in it (what condition was the lion in? - would the outcome have been the same if the bear was bundled up, half starved and dropped in the middle of Africa for the fight to be staged there? All of these would have affected the outcome), particularly as records show that when a mountain lion was pitted against a grizzly bear in Monterey, the lion won. Historical records clearly show that in the bull vs bear fights the bulls often had to be tethered by their legs to even the odds otherwise they would charge the bears at speed and gore them to death. In most instances the bears died of their wounds and there are very few cases of bears that were known cattle killers and which had better odds against the bulls. Also, breaking the neck of its prey is not at all unique to bears, as even very large prey of tigers often have their necks broken during the attack. That is a common strategy used by tigers for a quick kill, whereas lions tend to choke large prey with their jaws.

It's simple, really.I like gorillas. I like tigers. I like lions.And I would like to see your nutcase severely mauled by an angry red squirrel.Better yet, I'd like to see you tossed into a cage with a dozen horny evangelical TV preachers on meth and forced to be their love monkey.Yeah, baby! 2400 lbs. of jazzy Jesus love justice!Edited by Omnivorous, : More realistic weight total for 12 evangelicals.

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Gorillas are definitely my favorite animal and bears are pretty cool too. I think that a fully grown grizzly bear would beat a gorilla in most situations even though I like gorillas alot more.

I agree. Although I have read an early report of a cougar fighting a small grizzly in the california wilds in which both ended up the loser ("Man meets Grizzly" by FM Young and Coralie Beyers, page 135)and that a mother cougar can be ferocious enough to send a grizzly running from her cubs (which there is a video on youtube of, though this probably wont always work in the wild. Mother Grizzlies often make much bigger male Grizzlies flee, but in some situations when the male is hungry enough, it will force the momma to flee and go after the little cubs. I'll post a source here soon if time allows) , i've never really heard of Mountain lions being pitted against Grizzlies in pit fights, let alone beating them (which seems suspect, since Grizzlies outweigh cougars several fold, and that Grizzlies often bully cougars from kills and eat some of their food. Maybe these pit bears where the same size roughly as the Cougar?). Could you post a source about this to confirm it? Robert H. Busch discussed the bear/bull duels in california on page 109 of his Grizzly almanac;"In these inane duels, the front hoof of a bull Was roped to the rear paw of a bear. The two where then released in a pen to fight to the death, while the crowd watched and wagered. This gory entertainment lasted well into the end of the 1800s."So The idea that Bulls where tethered to give bears the advantage seems suspect, since both where tethered. (unless you're probably reffering to Bull/blackbear or Bull vs small grizzlies. Bulls have been known to hit over 2000 pounds at times). If not by the first bull, then by the next bull or another bull after several where axed by the bear. see "Man meets Grizzly" pages 89-95) Old Ephraim, El Casador, Old Mose, Susie, Wab. These where famous "outlaw Grizzlies" that where famed as cattle killers (Grizzly almanac, pages 107-08) Tigers use the momentum of their prey against them, which susually ends with the animal falling and having it's neck snap in the process. Tigers can easily dispatch big prey with a bite to the neck once they get their teeth in range of the final coupe do grace. But they rarely use strength alone to kill prey ("Tiger" by Stephen Mills, page 24). Bears rely more on strength than speed for survival (Grizzly Almanac, page 33). They can get knocked down by a charging bull (which can fall with them), and quickly afterwards snap the neck of the bull using their paws and forelimbs in a jerk (Man meets Grizzly, pages 89-95). Bears have been known to take a bull down using their limbs and upper body strength against the horns and neck of the bull in a wildlife wrestling match, and can kill bulls with a single paw blow (lbid, pages 125-127). But both the Tiger's and the Bear's tactics dont always work, and can have fatal consequences ("Tiger" stephen Mills, pages 24-25, involving a Water Buffalo, "Man meets Grizzly" pages 98-104 (wild spanish Bull) and 108-111 (Bison). Tigers though are far better at killing prey than bears, and are considered by some experts to be the ultimate lone mammal predator on land ("Big Cats: Kingdom of Might" Tom Brakefield, page 38), due to a combination of size, power and agility (lbid 38). Bears are size for size far stronger, but slower (lbid 38, "Bears" by Ian Sterling, pages 50-52)and therefore cant compare to the lethal nature of the Tiger, and as the Lairweb site showed, they prey on brown bears and are far better at fighting bears than lions.Dont have a lotta time left. College soon. But i'll try to respond off an on.

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I've been followig the 'animal vs animal and animal vs human face off' thread with interest, and am rather impressed with some of the research. I would just like to add my 2 cents worth.1. Gorilla vs Human
I understand that anatomically the gorilla is limited in some strength moves, such as raising weight above it's head because such moves are unecessary in the animal world, so human power lifters would be anatomically able to lift more. However, a weight lifter vs a gorilla in just a mano a mano fight (i.e. human can't make a spear etc)? Jake get real! Get a grip on your ego and come back to earth. Has anyone seen a gorilla in real life. Their faces and heads are huge, blows would glance off, plus force of blows to back of head would be dissipated somewhat by their hair. In any case explosive power counts for a lot here. If you've ever watched the UFC matches, the shorter, more explosive fighter who comes out just slugging has dominated and won every fight I've seen against a taller more skilled fighter. There's simply no time to respond with all the flash stuff you see in the movies like a spinning kick. If a gorilla rushes at you it would be over in seconds in a flurry of huge flailing hands or body slam.2. Leopards + big cats dragging animals 2-3 times their weight (in the leopards case, up a tree)
Has strongman Jake ever tried to climb a ladder carrying someone heavier than himself through a harness held by a bit in his mouth? I assure you, he wouldn't get further than a rung or two, yet leopards can jump up branches on a tree. On a documentary I heard that lions have been known to snap a man's head off his shoulder's with one swipe. Clearly animals have different muscle structures than us, allowing them greater strength. Even little chimps have our size. It's not easy for us bigger animals to accept the little guy is stronger than us. Still I'd rather have our brains, so we still got the better deal.3. Now for a spanner in the works.
If anyone can defeat animals like lions and tigers (with the exception of someone like big Angus), sorry big Jake, it will not be a body builder/weight lifter. I have 2 black belts, I am 6'2 with only an athetic build and I do not rate body builders in my fight experience very highly. They are too focused on trying to intimidate people with just their size + muscles, but their kind of muscles actually makes them inflexible, rigid, slower and once they realise they do not intimidate, they lose the psychological battle. Best fighters in the ring and not overly muscled.The one factor not taken into account is the ability of certain humans to develop chi energy into something extraodrinary. In his book "Paramahamsa Yogananda: autobiography of a yogi", the author, an Indian yogi writing in I think 1920'2 - 1940's talks to an Indian Swami who developed a herculean physique from, get this, mental exercises (and no weights). He smashed through the edge of a concrete wall leaving a whole and no harm to his hand. This swami used to enter a cage with a tiger and subdue it with his fists! In one famous encouter, the Raj organised a fight between a fierce bengal and the swami, the swami still managed to subdue the tiger although his hand was mauled. I wasn't there so I don't know, read the book if you like. There is also a very sweet photo of a 'vegetarian lioness' accompanying another swami. This lioness was from the mild, but became completely tame and would only drink milk and some other food.In another book I read, sorry forgot the title, it was written by a brave/crazy martial artist who thought he would attack certain Qui Gong masters and the like, see what happened and write a book about it. On one occasion he jumped on a mild mannered doctor. Next thing he knew he woke up on his back. He explained the reason for the attack to the doctor, who told him that he basically did something to disrupt his internal energy, and if left untreated he would die. Clearly 'dim mak' (death touch) may have some basis. Don't know if this would work on a gorilla though, but if anyone can, it would be one of these guys using their energy in some way, not normal body building muscles or some kind of wrestler.4. Lion vs Tiger debate (II)
Like humans, I don't think this depends on just greater physique but attitude. I've dominated bigger fighters than me in the dojo.
Animals have different personalities and attitudes too you know. Clearly smaller, more aggressive humans can dominate larger humans. A smaller more aggressive bruiser-lion will dominate a larger tiger not used to so much physical action. I wonder how a bruiser tiger will fare though?. So for a more realistic basis of comparison we really need a match of 2 equals to decide: an aggressive lion vs an aggressive tiger, both in their prime. Ligers may be twice the size, but apparently they have a gentle disposition (as do gorillas, unlike homicidal chimps), whereas little wolverines are the 'psycho's of the animal world and everyone gives them a wide birth.3. Just for fun - Some comparitive pointless questions I'd like to have answered:
If a Neanderthal is 8 times stronger than a normal human, and can lift a ton, who would win in a fight between a gorilla and a neanderthal?
If a sabre tooth is built like a bear, then who would win between a sabre tooth and those much larger cave bears of the past?

Ok I was reading some articles on some of the strongest men who ever lived...Louis Cyr
NATURALSTRENGTH.com - Old School Weight Training Strength Strongman Power Vintage BodybuildingPaul Anderson(Arguably the strongest man in living memory)
NATURALSTRENGTH.com - Old School Weight Training Strength Strongman Power Vintage Bodybuilding
I will say, I don't think this article mentioned that Anderson pressed near 400lbs overhead with one arm.Big Dave Gauder
http://www.stream-on.com/bigdaveg/records.htmlSurely P4P a Gorilla would not be able to defeat these guys in a strength contest?
Yes man could take out any animal, with a gun!!!I actually have seen a Lion Vs. Tiger fight, the Tiger one, it just stayed away and waited for its chance to attack while the Lion watched it...I will see if I can find the video...

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I suppose that our fingers are evolving into stronger limbs since we use them so much in the information age, eh?

Finally some people here which have a normal mind and respect animals.
The two people which have posted animals are dumb are self dumb idiots. Animals are not dumb at all. I have seen a bird of prey using the prey of fishes flying over the river drop it and when the fish comes out it gets the fish. Thats not dumb. and also aslistened before most animals consider if they can win a fight and if they are losing they runaway. There are two martial arts experts here which totally agree that human can never come close in a fight to real large wild animals. Thats true. Stop pushing actually we are the stupid species as we destroy our own environment. I know the story of the bull and yes its true but that doesn’t work out at every animal. At bulls its easy when you are a professional fighter to hit them at the head and meet the vulnerable part. However its a lot harder with a gorilla who fights back ,using its powerful arms. Like it was posted before no boxer could compete with it if he has a normal sense.
Have you ever seen fighting gorillas each other how aggressive they are? Dude one punsh and it breaks you every bone or kills you if a hard punsh at your head. Have you ever seen the powerful arms. There is noway like said before that a gorilla or a grizzly bear isn’t to much for any of the world strongest man or martial arts fighter. I have seen a documentary of shaloins which keep tiger. They said if the tiger gets angry he wouldn’t stand any chance and these guys are considered as the best martial arts fighters in the world. At least one of the best. The guy was right which said you are retarded if you believe that a mortal individium can bet animals of tramandous size unless they are trained and go along with you. Gorillas,Bears,Rhinos,Elephants come on guys get back to reality.The respect you give to human and there abilities takes the sense to reality of some people. How old are some people who right that you believe in fairy tales you can tell little children??? Of the hero which beats every beast.
Like said the guy who knocked out bulls would get killed in seconds if he would take at grizzly bears or rhinos. There is a reason why this can work out at bulls but not with lions,tiger,bears,rhinos. A tiger attacks totally other than a bull he jumps in the air and boounces at you where you have no ability to defend and hardly get a martial kick.Biside that he breaks you everything when it bounces at you like it occurs at there prey in the wilderness. Same with bears they are not so easily to fight to. And as for this guy Gene Lebell I know him and he gets my highest respect. But Deus Ajudu that was a black bear which was not as that big weighting perhaps 250 or 300 pounds. And it was probably a trained bear too otherwise they would have never got him there if it wouldn’t have been a wild bear. I know he beat him which was very respective. But you can’t compare a bear of this size to a 1000 or 1500 pound wild grizzly bear. I have seen such fights already at TV too it are all trained bears which even don’t want to fight stop as they have no fun to do it,let to do with themselve and wherent aggressive. Lebell talked about it a lot and it was made to media and show too. Still impressive but not such a big deal with a "non fighting" bear which leads to other impressions of things being possible at people The other thing of action when wild bears attack mostly it are also smaller bears although if bigger ones yeah you are teached to defend yourselve and it can happen that bear quiets and runs away but its kind of self defense hitting him,or kick with feet when you lay at the flour but you can never get down an attacking wild 1000 pound bear with a headscissor or anything like that. Come back to reality. although the bull fighter which did it for his whole life doesn’t mean that it couldn’t come the day he didn’t exceed and would have died through the animal.
By the way I am also a wrestling fan and somebody mentioned already the Great Khali. 7ft3inch 408 pounds, a really powerhouse, also fighting expert but there where also such stories some people believed comparable to these ones. He said he snacked at tiger after killed them with his own hands and fans started to believe it really.

Jake don’t be so ignorant a gorilla is at that much stronger as the average man. Don’t be "more intelligent" as experts. You can’t know it better. Don’t be sooooo arrogant and say you could beat a gorilla as an average human especial. And by the way subdue is not the same as submit.