Gay bashing versus christian bashing

I was beaten up for being gay, and I've not even had the opportunity to be straight yet. I was carrying my books like a girl. I never noticed up to that time that boys carried their books differently then did girls. And I was indeed carrying my books like a girl.That was two years ago. I now carry my books at my side instead of across my body. It's not an efficient method of carrying if one has more then a few books. But it's only gravity the I have to contend with now.

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Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

All I was stating is that the claim they do not have basic human rights is false. How they are treated by other people has nothing to do with rights, but what you you know about the USA, and what would I know about The Kingdom of the Netherlands. no, i just said I dont know how things are in The Federal Republic of Germany.Anyone can get married in the USA too, as long as you meet the age requirements or have parental consent otherwise.Edited by Artemis Entreri, : hirrible proofreading skillz

That seems to be typical of gay-bashers, they don't even know what gay is. It is not someone acting in an effeminate way. I used to carry books in the same way since I got sick of dropping them. I finally had to get a brief case. This was back in the late 50's to early 60's when gay bashing was much more common. It still seems that most people don't realize that in behavior, most gays would not be recognized at all. Edited by bluescat48, : missing word

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

And are willing to marry someone they don't love.If one thinks that being in love is an important part of marriage, then, no, gays don't have the same rights to marriage that non-gay people have.

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Speaking personally, I find few things more awesome than contemplating this vast and majestic process of evolution, the ebb and flow of successive biotas through geological time. Creationists and others who cannot for ideological or religious reasons accept the fact of evolution miss out a great deal, and are left with a claustrophobic little universe in which nothing happens and nothing changes.
-- M. Alan Kazlev

That is blatantly false. Only in Connecticut and Massachusetts can homosexuals legally marry. For a while you could in California, but the bigots won on 04/11, which ended that for now. The federal government does not recognize these marriages, per the Defense of Marriage Act of 1996.Civil unions/domestic partnerships, which are not marriages, are allowed between homosexuals in Vermont, New Jersey, Washington, Oregon, Maine, Hawaii, Washington D.C., California, and New Hampshire. Most of these states do not defer all the rights and protections of marriages (numbering some 1,138 according to the GAO).Further, 29 states have passed amendments defining marriage as between one man and one woman (of those, 19 also ban civil unions and such, whereas 2 allow civil unions).Finally, 15 states have statutes banning same-sex marriages, and of those, 6 allow civil unions.So really, anyone can get married only in 2 states, and in all other states you have to be one man, one woman to be married.

In the eyes of the law, marriage is just a legal contract which fails to incorporate love.

The claim wasn't that anyone could marry anyone, its that anyone can enter the contract of marriage, which they can.

I think that his point is that homosexuals can marry in every state...as long as they are willing to marry someone of the opposite sex whom they actually don't want to marry.Why does he think that this is having the same rights as non-gays? You'll have to ask him.

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Speaking personally, I find few things more awesome than contemplating this vast and majestic process of evolution, the ebb and flow of successive biotas through geological time. Creationists and others who cannot for ideological or religious reasons accept the fact of evolution miss out a great deal, and are left with a claustrophobic little universe in which nothing happens and nothing changes.
-- M. Alan Kazlev

Really?Here's what artie said: Bolding mine.Anyone can get married. That's the implicit claim. But the reality is far from that. You can go to Connecticut or Massachusetts to get married, but no one is going to recognize it outside of those states. Every other state either bans same-sex marriage and civil unions, bans only marriage, allows only civil unions, or gives civil unions with limited rights and protections. A plurality fall into the first category (19 of 50), a majority in the second (29 of 50). Those counts are only for amendments, and there are another 8 states that have statutes against same-sex marriage that do not provide for civil unions. 39 states, or more than 4/5 of the states in the US do not even allow for civil unions or domestic partnerships, let alone marriage. I fail to see how you can say that anyone in the US can marry in any effective means unless they live within Mass or Conn.

Oh, that's what he means. Of course. I was operating under non-bigoted assumptions about the right to marry. How silly of me.

Did you know that they have freedom of religion in Iran, too? Just as long as your religion is Islam and your worship stays within the limits set by the state.As Henry Ford said, you can have any color you want as long as its black.

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Speaking personally, I find few things more awesome than contemplating this vast and majestic process of evolution, the ebb and flow of successive biotas through geological time. Creationists and others who cannot for ideological or religious reasons accept the fact of evolution miss out a great deal, and are left with a claustrophobic little universe in which nothing happens and nothing changes.
-- M. Alan Kazlev

Technically speaking, black people had every right that white people had during segregation. Are you going to argue that because of this there was no need to desegregate? That's funny. When I married my wife, we inhereted over a thousand rights written in the law. We're covered under the same insurance policy. I could take family sick days off if something happens to my wife. She could take family sick days off if something happens to me. When either of us goes to the hospital, the other one only has to say "that's my spouse" and there's no question in anyone's mind how important that person is to us. All of these and over a thousand other rights and privileges that we enjoy.I have gay friends that have been in monogomous relationship for years, some have been together longer than my wife and I have known each other. And they can't even visit in the hospital.Having equal rights mean much more than just being able to vote.But let's go back to the wiki comment you quoted.

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Human rights refers to the "basic rights and freedoms to which all humans are entitled."[1] Examples of rights and freedoms which have come to be commonly thought of as human rights include civil and political rights

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Gay people have less civil and political rights because they are not very well represented in our country. It is a political suicide for any polititian to admit he's gay.

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, such as the right to life and liberty

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And again I must point out that technically speaking black people did have life and liberty during segregation. I don't think anyone (except you) could argue that there was no need to make their life and liberty closer to being equal than the rest of us.

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freedom of expression

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The fact that gay kids have to hide their feelings out of fear of retaliation by their peers proves that they have no freedom of expression. The only thing Lawrence King did was ask another kid to be his valentine and he was brutally murdered.My gay friends often tell me at work they have to use gender free language when they refer to their significant others because there are always people who get so uppity and offended about a guy talking about another guy. I don't know about you, but at work I talk about my wife all the time. Every married person I know likes to talk about their wife, husband, and kids at the work place. Yet, gay people are ostracized by their peers for even mentioning the fact that their significant other isn't of the opposite sex.I don't know what fantasy you live in, but here in reality that's anything but freedom of expression.

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and equality before the law; and social

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The vast majority of society still rejects gay people as a legitimate part of society. Some have even called out for their deaths. That's not social equality.

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cultural and economic rights

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Gay people can't include their partners and adopted children in their medical insurance. Gay people often have to hide their identity out of fear of violence from their peers. At the work place, gay people have to hide who they are out of fear of bigots like you affecting their career. That's not cultural and economic equality.

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including the right to participate in culture

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Again, gay people are turned away constantly by various portions of our culture.

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the right to food

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At first glance, this may not have anything to do with the matter. But if you're someone like me who works a full time job in a friendly and relaxed work environment, you'd know that lunch time is more like a party. Again, the number one topic that keeps coming up during lunch hour where I work is family. We, as social creatures, like to show off what we've accomplished in our personal lives. Even the food tastes better when we can talk freely about our spouses, our kids, our dogs, etc. and be accepted and praised by our peers. On the other hand, gay people have to use gender-free language and god forbids if they ever let it slip that their partner is someone of the same sex.

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the right to work

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Think back just how hostile the work environment is for gay people in the typical work place.

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and the right to education.

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Here is a link that will speak for itself on this issue.http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,484508,00.html

California Court Says Christian School Can Expel Lesbian Students
Wednesday, January 28, 2009

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E-Mail Print Share RIVERSIDE, Calif. ” A California appeals court has ruled that a private Christian high school has the right to expel students because of an alleged lesbian relationship.

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The 4th District Court of Appeal in Riverside on Monday upheld California Lutheran High School's right as a private, religious organization to exclude students based on their sexual orientation.

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Two teens filed a lawsuit claiming they were discriminated against after they were expelled from the Wildomar school in 2005 because of an alleged lesbian relationship.

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A court in Riverside found that the school had the right to expel the girls because the school isn't bound by the same anti-discrimination laws as a business establishment.

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John McKay, attorney for California Lutheran, says the school's goal is to educate children based on Christian principles.

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The attorney for the girls could not be immediately reached Tuesday.

Yes, and the same claim can be made during the segregation era when interracial marriage was illegal.

I can attest to this personally. On my first ship as a young Petty Officer Second Class, a new guy checked on board my ship and into my division. He was very eccentric (wore bright colored shirts, highlighted his hair, etc) though not overtly gay. He also seemed to be a very intelligent and emotionally well rounded person. However within a couple months of being onboard during deployment he had already started receiving death threats from several other sailors on board. I befriended him and most of the sailors in our division liked him. However, I had an inkling he was gay just because of his idiosyncrasies and the background he divulged to me (though he never came right out and told me he was gay).One night, he came to me and told me he wanted to jump over board and kill himself due to the constant barrage of death threats he was getting. Needless to say, myself and a fellow shipmate had to get him off the ship pretty quickly to prevent a senseless death. He left the Navy shortly thereafter.The point of this story is that because people perceived him as gay he was in danger for his life even though he never solicited himself or even overtly acted gay. I am sure this is not an isolated incident but happens over and over.Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.

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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

Are you serious? This stuff still plagues your schools? I wish I'd been there, I'd have kicked their asses so hard they wouldn't be able to sit for a month. Even if it would've meant I couldn't walk straight anymore either. I've witnessed a similar incident once over here (yes, we're not free from bigotry either) suffice to say, I got suspended for a day from school, but the bullíes got kicked off it permanently.I hope this enormous stupidity can be gone from your and anyone's country soon.

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