Good Scientists Gone Bad -- Dr. Watson and Dr. Pauling

From the perspective of the Great Lily-White North, I'd say that "Hispanic" has to do with linguistic origins and nothing to do with racial origins at all. Hispanic people can be any race or any mixture of races, as long as their mother tongue is Spanish.

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As an Italian-American, I assure you, Italians are identified as caucasian. No, I don't. Again, this idea that I'm some kind of infallible personality is a myth, a misconception that none of you will abandon in the light of disconfirming evidence. Indeed, any attempt I make to point out how often I admit being wrong simply confirms the misconception in your mind, as it did for Arach.Everybody who knows something thinks they're right. It's impossible to live your life thinking that you're wrong about everything. I'm no different than any of the rest of you in assuming initially that, when I disagree with someone, they're wrong and I'm right.And that's the last I feel the need to say about it. I can't for the life of me imagine why you people are so quick to make everything about me, about how big an asshole I am, about how arrogant and deluded I must surely be. Are my arguments just that compelling that you have no other recourse? Must be.Incidentally:

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Always treat other members with respect. Argue the position, not the person. Avoid abusive, harassing and invasive behavior. Avoid needling, hectoring and goading tactics.

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Nearly every single contribution to this thread by you and Anglagard have been needless goading and harassment. What the hell is wrong with the two of you?

Verily! He could probably use a priestly Hoover.”HM

You apparently missed the context. We were talking about Mexico, and while obviously a large number of black people live in Mexico, they're not highly represented (less than 1% according to a quick Google) in that population.It's fair to say that, when people talk about Mexican Hispanics, they're talking about people of caucasian or mixed-caucasian racial origin, to the extent that those words even have meaning.But, you know, keep calling me names and acting like a prick to conceal how you dropped into the middle of a conversation without knowing exactly what we were talking about. I'm sure nobody even noticed.

OK, yes, I think wires got crossed somewhere. So I guess we do agree after all. Sorry, the "wrong about census" business kinda threw me there for a bit.

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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis BaconThe more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

You appear to make good logical and reasonable sense here, CS. Perhaps political correctness and the relatively modern imposement of equality upon society is what makes your statically substantiated position controversial.This debate has nothing to do with racism perse so long as there is a reasonable amount of evidence for a given position. However, considering the sensitivity of the topic, the ones who's evidence is nonsupportive to the equality factor relative to all humans will be labeled racist, feminist, bigoted etc.The historical record appears to lend support to your position. The races, geographically have been essentially uniform throughout known history until the industrial revolution and escalation of travel etc. Throughout recorded history until the industrial revolution and the effects of westernization upon the orientals, for some reason caucasian peoples have been the more prosperous, educated, civilized, industrious, dominating, expansive and productive on the planet from whose race all of the major world empires have emerged.The trend toward racial equality appears to have begun from the time of travel and the Industrial Revolution which effected inter-racial reproduction, westernization of non-caucasians, and geographical relocating individuals as well as various segments of the races.Merriam Webster Definition Of Caucasian:

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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I'm sorry, but is there any likelihood you will provide any support for such nonsense?

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If Catholic Scientist's position is so well supported then why is he failing to produce such support or deal with rebuttals ?Why does he assume that intelligence is of no selective benefit ?

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This debate has nothing to do with racism perse so long as there is a reasonable amount of evidence for a given position. However, considering the sensitivity of the topic, the ones who's evidence is nonsupportive to the equality factor relative to all humans will be labeled racist, feminist, bigoted etc.

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And in the absence of evidence, then it IS about racism. Which means that you're a racist.I just wish I was surprised to find that out.

...but I won't hold my breath. If one is going to assert genetic causality re: race and IQ, that implies race can be defined in biological terms.Since CS is hesitant to provide evidence, perhaps you would like offer a biologically useful definition of race.Remember. Biologically useful.That means defined in terms of biology.

It appears that this thread has two topics, the very brief unsupported Pauling nutrition statement and everything else relative to the Dr. Watson IQ debate including the supportive links. The two topics appear to be totally unrelated so far as debate content.Perhaps Mobiogirl should consider editing out the Pauling statement for another thread.

Buz, seriously, learn some stats. There's nothing supported about what CS is saying, statistically.We can't begin to estimate the likelihood that an element of A is greater than an element of B given only that the mean of A is larger than the mean of B.It's not enough information without the standard deviation of both A and B; if A is clustered highly around its mean and B is highly deviate from its mean, then there's a greater likelihood of B being higher than A.You can see it on the curves. It's possible to construct two curves where mean-A is greater than mean-B, but B's area past mean-A is higher than A's area past mean-A; in other words, even though A is on average greater than B, an element of B is more likely to be greater than an element of A.Or, the more obvious could be true, as well. Without the standard deviation - a measurement of the degree to which values cluster around their mean - it's impossible to say. CS's reasoning simply isn't valid. This is just ignorant nonsense. It's only been in the 20th century that the prosperity and invention of the West has exceeded that of Europe; evey previous human invention - agriculture/irrigation, metallurgy, steelmaking, mathematics, science, sailing/navigation, animal domestication, writing, money, even the wheel were all invented in Asia, North Africa, and the Middle East centuries before they appeared in the West.We're the ones playing catch-up, Buz. Of course, in your ignorant, racist anglocentricity you're completely blind to that.

Declaring victory so soon despite the evidence?Are all froggies as delusional as you seem to be in this post?

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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis BaconThe more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

The one concerning which shell the pea is under? Doesn't matter. Hispanic is a cultural term, not a racial one, whether here, Mexico, Canada, or on the Moon. I think what pretty much everyone noticed is that:1. You have extreme difficulty admitting when you are wrong despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.2. You can dish it out but can't take it.3. You resort to logical fallacies to avoid having to admit being wrong - such as palming the pea or even saying everything I have pointed out supports your argument.4. Your debate tactics are very similar to some fundamentalists who post here.Pathetic.

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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis BaconThe more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

........and Mobiogirl needs to address the logic and historical evidence which Buzsaw's message has addressed relative to caucasians and the rest of the world's cultures, nations and peoples as per definition of caucasian rather than responding with this evasive sedgeway relative to technical definitions.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

Uh, what evidence Buz?Can you provide us a link to a post where you presented any evidence?

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