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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Divide seen in voter knowledge (click)By Alan Wirzbicki, Globe Correspondent October 22, 2004 Boston Globe I predict the local neoCONs, religioius conservatives and other bush lickers will say that this is just a liberal slant and ignore the facts involved:
Supporters of President Bush are less knowledgeable about the president's foreign policy positions and are more likely to be mistaken about factual issues in world affairs than voters who back John F. Kerry, a survey released yesterday indicated. A large majority of self-identified Bush voters polled believe Saddam Hussein provided "substantial support" to Al Qaeda, and 47 percent believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction before the US invasion. Among the president's supporters, 57 percent queried think international public opinion favors Bush's reelection, and 51 percent believe that most Islamic countries support "US-led efforts to fight terrorism." No weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq, the Sept. 11 Commission found no evidence of substantial Iraqi support for Al Qaeda, and international public opinion polls have shown widespread opposition to Bush's reelection. In contrast, among Kerry supporters polled only 26 percent think Iraq had such weapons, 30 percent say Iraq was linked to Al Qaeda, and 1 percent said foreign public opinion favors Bush. The polls results, said Steven Kull, the head of the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland, which conducted the survey, showed that Americans are so polarized two weeks before the election that many lack even a common understanding of the facts. On other international issues, the survey found that around 70 percent of Bush supporters responding believe that the president supports participation in the land mine treaty and the comprehensive nuclear test ban treaty, and a narrower majority believes he supports the International Criminal Court and Kyoto Accords. In fact, Bush opposes all four treaties. Kerry supporters correctly identified their candidate's position on every foreign policy issue in the survey except defense spending. Only 43 percent of the Democrat's supporters know he wants to keep the Pentagon budget at the same level rather than cut or expand it. Kull said it is common for voters to tailor their views on particular issues to those of the candidate they favor overall, but the extent to which Bush supporters are filtering out news from Iraq that might reflect poorly on the president is unprecedented. According to the survey, the difference doesn't reflect lack of access to information about Iraq. The poll found that perceptions did not vary significantly by level of education among those who plan to vote for Bush. And many of the Bush voters surveyed knew that the Duelfer report said Hussein had no WMDs, but continue to believe that he did regardless. Kull suggested the dissonance among Bush voters reflects the country's difficulty coming to grips with the discrediting of the rationale for the Iraq war. But don’t just take the word of the Boston Globe (or mine) ... here is the actual survey: Bush Supporters Still Believe Iraq Had WMD or Major Program, Supported al Qaeda (click). Probably the most telling bit from it is this:
Steven Kull adds, "Another reason that Bush supporters may hold to these beliefs is that they have not accepted the idea that it does not matter whether Iraq had WMD or supported al Qaeda. Here too they are in agreement with Kerry supporters." Asked whether the US should have gone to war with Iraq if US intelligence had concluded that Iraq was not making WMD or providing support to al Qaeda, 58% of Bush supporters said the US should not have, and 61% assume that in this case the President would not have. Kull continues, "To support the president and to accept that he took the US to war based on mistaken assumptions likely creates substantial cognitive dissonance, and leads Bush supporters to suppress awareness of unsettling information about prewar Iraq. Got that? More than half the reasons that bush supporters give for supporting bush are just plain undeniably wrong. Wrong. Erroneous. Out of touch with reality. Dillusional with substantial cognitive dissonance. Irrational, or dare I say insane? For the sake of this country (and the world) GET A CLUE! This message has been edited by RAZD, 01-03-2005 20:01 AM we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3957 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
in fact. hussein and the leaders of al qaeda were/are enemies... you want al qaeda supports? look in saudi arabia. oops. they're our 'friends'. what are we gonna do?!?!?!
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
bush lickers lmao.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
This is the kind of "thinking" that allowed Hitler to rise to power.
I don't think I am exaggerating
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
It keeps looking more and more like it to me as well. Goes to the old line about those who are ignorant of history are likely to repeat it.
No comments from the self deluded yet ... must be too painful to confront their dissonance. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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Verzem Inactive Member |
I'm sure it doesn't go unnoticed by most of us that we see the same things in the EvC debates as well.
Not curious, is it? Verzem
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
(...c'mon...c'mon...pick up the bait...)
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contracycle Inactive Member |
SNORT
I was listening to clips of a bush speech the other day, it really was quiote striking - and IMO exactly the kind of thing that brought about hitlers rise to power. Bush said:"Senator kerry has been denigrating our troops" (wild applause) "and our allies, like tony blair (hysterical screaming) silvio berlusconi (hysterical screaming ...aznar (hysterical screaming) Bush was being cheered to the rafters FOR READING A LIST OF NAMES. I presume that Kerry's alleged denigration of the troops is his brave reporting of American crimes against humanity in Vietnam, but nothing in this text actually explained why this was harmful, wrong, or untrue. Also just the other night I got to see an interniew in a bar in missouri I think with a bunch of ordinary citizens. The only one who came across as sane was a pro-choice activist, but that may be because she only got to speak one sentence. Still and all, what she said was how utterly out of control the party lines hade become, because just about nothing these 7 or 8 people discussed was not itself already a party political argument. this isnnot a political process - its is just a popularity contest, that is all.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Bush's latest transparent misrepresentation (well transparent to those who can see) is to call any criticism oh his handling of the Iraq war "denigrating the troops" ... and I bet the word "denigrating" was chosen by Rove on purpose.
Can anyone give a name of a single terrorist killed or captured in Iraq that was part of the 9/11 attack? one? anyone? we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
RAZD writes:
quote: So what was Giuliani doing when he said, regarding the loss of the high explosives in al QaQaa:
The actual responsibility for it really would be for the troops that were there. Did they search carefully enough? Didn't they search carefully enough? Oh, that's right! It's Kerry who's denigrating the troops! Giuliani is a Kerry supporter! Giuliani would never have anything to do with Bush, so it must have been Kerry who put him up to it! Nevermind that Kerry's official response to Giuliani's statement was:
This is just the latest example of the excuse presidency where the buck stops any place but the Oval Office. Because, as we all know, the word "presidency" really means "military" and "Oval Office" really means "foxholes." Rrhain WWJD? JWRTFM!
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berberry Inactive Member |
I know quite a number of conservatives who believe Iraq did have WMD but managed to move them to Syria or Iran before the invasion. I suppose that's possible, but if that's what happened doesn't it destroy the causa causans for the Iraq war? If the point was to find and contain Iraq's WMD but those WMD were sent out of the country, then by our own rationale the war was lost before the invasion began.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
and then shouldn't the war have followed the trail of those weapons?
Isn't that the whole idea about this "war" on terror - to follow it into every nest hole that they find? we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
rrhain writes: Because, as we all know, the word "presidency" really means "military" and "Oval Office" really means "foxholes." and we know that comprehensive plan before the war does not mean: (1) sending troops to a known weapon facility that don't know- (a) what they are looking for - (b) what they are finding and - (c) what to do with it (2) leaving those weapons unguarded and still useable at any time to allow the enemy to get their hands of any part of it to use against our troops (3) blaming the fiasco on the lack of planning does not mean blaiming the troops for carrying out the lack of a plan. heh. incompetence is like that: it can't see that it is incompetent. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Iran?
I thought that Iraq and Iran hated each other.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
If you remember during the first Gulf War, many of the Iraqi planes were flown to Iran to avoid being shot down. Of course, Iran did not return them but that is another story.
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