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Message 1 of 2 (491766)
12-20-2008 8:49 PM


I was recently reading Climbing Mount Improbable by Richard Dawkins*, and was slightly jarred by his bald-faced assertion, towards the end of the book, that eukaryotic cells evolved as colonies of prokaryotes. I'm a long way from being a microbiologist, so my views may be slightly confused, but this doesn't satisfy me at all as an explanation of the origin of eukaryotes, and so I thought I'd turn to where I knew there were plenty of people better educated than me to offer their opinions.
I accept the fact that organelles like mitochondria, chloroplasts, and possibly peroxisomes are descended from originally independent organisms, but none of these seem to me to be essential, defining features of a eukaryotic cell. It seems perfectly conceivable to me to imagine an ancient eukaryotic cell, vastly bigger than prokaryotes, with a nucleus and an internal transit system, but without any endosymbiotic organelles. On the other hand, I don't see how the idea that eukaryotes are colonies explains much about eukaryotes that isn't explained by the idea of endosymbiotic cells becoming part of a pre-existing eukaryote.
If this isn't just a whim of Dawkins that I'm getting unjustly upset about, is there anything more to support the idea of colonies of prokaryotes forming eukaryotes?
*I'd recommend everyone to borrow it from a library and read the chapters on the eye, flight and fig trees. As for the rest of it, you can find better things to do with your time.
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12-21-2008 1:33 AM


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