For the "Great Debate" forum, Minnemooseus and Buzsaw only
This topic starts with material from an Adminnemooseus / AdminBuzsaw conversation in the "Private Administration Forum" (PAF), which for those that have PAF access, starts
here,. It is a side topic in a topic complimenting AdminBuzsaw on his moderation efforts.
Adminnemooseus, in PAF topic message 7, writes:
I have poor memory abilities, so I don't have much any mental image of "the history of Buzsaw" at . I suspect that some of the edges of your creationist viewpoint have been worn off via your forum participation (ie - You're not quite the hard core creationist you used to be).
Buzaws' reply to the above:
AdminBuzsaw, in PAF topic message 8, writes:
Hi Moose. As for my creationist viewpoint, the hypothetical creationism of Buzsaw began to become unique in my early teens when I first began studying the Bible. The more I read in it, the more my viewpoints began to wear off from what I was hearing in pulpits and reading in evangelical books, though I agreed pretty much on the gospel message itself.
More marginal to this topic were some additional Buzsaw comments:
AdminBuzsaw, additionally writes:
My participation on forums began at the old now defunct Newsmax forum, username "Buzzboy where my viewpoints were about as unpopular as they are here. When that shut down we all split, the creationist types mostly going to their kind of forums and I choosing to go with the secularists, most of whom joined NoPC, (a place for the thick skinned) where moderation was pretty much nonexistent and the talk was rough. There I stayed until found EvC.
My forum experience overall has effected quite a significant honing down on some edges of my viewpoints, but mind you, only the edges. Shall we say that hypothetical viewpoint has been, imo, finetuned, due two what I've been taught by secularists as well as nonsecularists in the forums, but from the extensive amount of personal research required to debate the degree of intelligence one incounters, especially here at EvC where most, unlike myself have one or more educational degrees of some kind.
Adminnemooseus' reply to the main material above, which gets to the core of this topic:
Adminnemooseus, in PAF topic message 9, writes:
Well, the gospel message is New Testiment isn't it?
The core of the creationism vs. evolution debate comes down to the content of the Old Testiment, specificly the Genesis story and the belief vs. non-belief of the literalism of it. What is "the hypothetical creationism of Buzsaw"? My blunt question for you is, are you a young Earth creationist?
To which Buzsaw replied:
AdminBuzsaw, in PAF topic message 10, writes:
I've explained the details several times over the years and this is likely not the place to go into it, but in short, imo the age of the earth until day five of creation is unknown. From day five which includes living creatures is roughly six thousand years old. The universe has eternally existed. This has been in my origins hypothesis long before I came here, so nothing significant regarding the Evo/Creo position has changed due to forum participation.
To which Minnemooseus replied:
Adminnemooseus, in PAF topic message 11, writes:
apologize if I have prompted you to repeat something that you have made clear in the past, but if so, such was lost to me, in the clutter of the past. In other words, I was pretty clueless about "where you were coming from".
Seemingly, you can accept an old Earth and at least much of the biological and non-biological evolution that the old Earth record indicates.
Perhaps instead of carrying on here, a public "Great Debate" discussion between Buzsaw and Minnemooseus might be interesting (or it might be even more interesting if presented as a conversation between AdminBuzsaw and Adminnemooseus). If you are interested and willing, I can cull some material from this topic and submit it as a "Proposed New Topic". I would presume that you have no objections to the revealing of what we have said in the past few messages.
The following is miscellaneous material from the PAF messages, most not directly relevant to this topic. The third block of text, however, probably is relevant. Buzsaw specificly indicated that he would like it included int this topic.
Adminnemooseus, message 7, writes:
I've been thinking about that "Great Debate" between you an Jar from quite a while back. The one that I foolishly agreed to moderate, and then ended up doing nothing. Essentially, once you and Jar started rapid firing rather lengthy messages back and forth, in a subject pretty foreign to me, I was totally boggled. I should have known such was going to happen, and I should have declined the moderation job.
AdminBuzsaw, message 8, writes:
Ah, yes, that GD, which, as I understood was to be EvC's first offical totally structured and managed GD. I still claim it as the first official one, complete with moderator, appointed judges and the whole enchilada, including the followup peanut gallery, which btw, went the whole post limit or nearly so. As I remember, you did a little moderating, but unless my memory fails me, there were indeed two judges who were appointed but forgot to judge. I have my thinking on why, but we won't go into that.
AdminBuzsaw, message 10, writes:
The Buz/Jar GD and the PG followup thread was a significant test for my own benefit to assure me that my hypothesis was the best out there relative the thermodynamic laws. Imo, it eliminates the problems that both evos and young earth/young universe creationists have regarding the before problem. Young Universe folks have a huge problem, given they have an eternal idist minded creator, in that if he created it all a few thousand years ago he would be lonely and idle for all of the pre-universe past. I suppose we ought to move on, lest one of our cumbody admin friends gives us heck for topic drift.
That, and a few other messages concerning agreeing to this "Great Debate", gets us to my starting this topic. I will end message 1 here, and will also post new input as message 2.
Minnemooseus
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