I was homeschooled, so my textbooks were much different than probably most of yours. There was no evolutionary teaching in them at all, and I did graduate with a High School Diploma, not a GED. So I can honestly say, that you don't need to learn evolution to graduate here in America.
I am now 25, been out of school for a while, and it wasn't until I was on my own at 19 that I really started hearing more and more about evolution. Basically, people were saying that I was a brainwashed kid, held back from society, and that the religion in my home kept me from learning truth. Some of you probably would concur .
I also learned mathematics when I was homeschooled. Mathematics was required for me to learn to graduate. When I was on my own around age 19, I knew math better than most of my co-workers at all my various jobs. Nobody said to me "You were homeschooled, so you don't know crap about math". They didn't say, "Your religion must have been brainwashing you as far as math goes, 'cause that isn't right!" when I could add 16.55 plus 3.45 in my head (without using fingers and toes!), (it's 20 by the way, and yes, much sarcasm involved in that sentence)
Anyway, my point is, this forum, and many other evolutionist minded folk throughout my life, have always been adamant about pleading their case. Many say it's fact, and has been proven. They are always persistent in letting you know what they believe. My question is, is it really necessary to promote it so much, if it's that written in stone. I mean, you already have it infiltrating the school system, why do you even need to debate about it, it's fact, isn't it? Is there some sort of "Go and tell" command that evolutionists must abide by, to make sure that their propaganda gets spread? Sort of reminiscent of the Christian's command to go and spread the Gospel.
I would like to see a debate arise about wether 10+10=20. That won't happen, know why? Because nobody needs to be told it. Everyone already knows it. You wouldn't see a mathematician going haywire on a forum, because someone said 10+10=30. He would dismiss them. Know why? Because there's no threat to his belief that 10+10=20, because that's set in stone.
Is it necessary to promote evolution? Why is it so critical people believe it? What happens to us if we don't believe it? Would evolution go extinct without promotion? If I die without ever believing evolution, how much worse off am I than if you die believing it? Would 10+10=30 if mathematics weren't promoted in school?
Anyone who believes evolution as fact, should never waste time answering these questions, because promotion of a fact is a waste of time. (Such as if I were to spend my life promoting 10+10=20). But, just so everyone knows where I stand, I will answer the quetions, and let you refute me .
Is it necessary to promote evolution? - Just as the Christian's are commanded to "Go and tell", evolutionists must keep their religion alive, by persuading people to see their point of view. That is why this forum will never die. (Until the Lord comes back, that is!)
Why is it so critical people believe it? - When someone is wrong, or doing something wrong, and they know it, it seems to be human nature to find others to take down with you. The more people you fool, the more you fool yourself. If evolution were fact, there would be as many debates on it as there is on 10+10 doesn't equal 20. (I hope there are no debates like that!)
What happens to us if we don't believe it? - Even you evolutionists may agree here! Absolutely NOTHING! We can get throught life just fine not believing it! And vice versa.
Would evolution go extinct without promotion? - Absolutely. Nobody believed evolution before it existed, and it would die out if it were taken out of schools and science.
If I die without ever believing evolution, how much worse off am I than if you die believing it? - Well, without God, our bodies just recycle into the ground, and we become part of the earth. Nothing happening after we die. Unless there's some new evolutionary thinking of what happens after we die that I didn't hear about. So the reason for such promotion of evolution can't be to save me from something terrible.
Would 10+10=30 if mathematics weren't promoted in school? - What a ridiculous notion! 10 and 10 is always going to be 20, and no matter what, a mathematical answer would never need promotion, to be a fact of life. FACT: 10+10=20...does that make it an...absolute?
You just had one topic promoted and I'd prefer we see how that thread takes off before promoting this one.
Also you have requested that this be placed in the "Is It Science?" forum. Since it is a science forum, you need to provide some evidence. (How is evolution being promoted?, Are there no debates concerning math theorums?, give evidence that evolution would go extict if not taught, what causes people to talk to you about evolution?, etc.)
I suggest leaving out the sarcasm, negativity and assuming what participants here would agree with.
quote:Anyway, my point is, this forum, and many other evolutionist minded folk throughout my life, have always been adamant about pleading their case.
This board is Evolution vs Creation, so of course the evolutionist here are going to plead their case.
Reply to this message if and when you have revised your opening argument so I can review it again.
Otherwise I will keep an eye on your other topic and see how it progresses.
I'm not sure [forum=-11] is the most appropriate forum. To some extent this sounds more like an [forum=-4] topic. Let me know if you feel particularly strongly about it or if I can promote it to [forum=-4].
Hi! Yeah, it's me again. You can take it or leave it as you see fit, but I was hoping some people who may not know me, may see more why I believe what I do, and hoping that I could see why they believe what they do. I was hoping that you could see that I wasn't trying to bring evidece to the table, because I don't know the evolutionist thinking around some of the points I brought up. And all my answers are based on what I believe just observing the people around me.
As far as the sarcasm, I wasn't aiming it at anyone. I was hoping it would keep the debate a bit more light hearted. I don't think that sarcasm is always negative, so to speak.
As far as your quote from me, I was trying to point out the reason for the existence of this website. All I'm saying, is that without evolutoinists wanting to promote their case, this website wouldn't even exist. So if it's so set in stone, as some believe, why even bother? That's the jist of it. As I said, I am a nag, and use as much "common sense" as I can, so that I don't have to waste all my time digging up evidence for what I believe. You can take it or leave it, put it in whatever category you want. But I will admit, that this is purely opinion, in the hopes of maybe others bringing their case to the table. If you have a problem with strictly opinion and sarcasm, then, there's a lot of that on this forum that needs attention.