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Christian7
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Message 1 of 6 (315617)
05-27-2006 1:46 PM


People keep telling me that I am not using logic and that there reasoning is objective and superior to mine, thus they are correct and my thinking is invalid.
So, since I am apperantly not thinking logically, I will now request assistance in learning logic. I will now attempt a logical statement.
Note that I am not using subjective assersions so my perspectives and religious beliefs will either not be included or will be contradicted.
This is my very own reasoning. I did not read it anywhere else, so you will have to tell me if YOU THINK it is valid. I may or may not agree with you.
I use the following premises:
1. Time is the medium by which things occur.
2. Things that exist within time have time and things that have time exist within time.
2. Time does not exist within a higher time.
3. Anything that does not have time is static and does not change.
4. Change is an event in time.
5. A life span is the amount of time that something exists.
6. Time exists.
I will now logically deduct the following:
1. It is evident that time does not change.
2. It is evident that anything that changes has time.
3. It is evident that the future cannot be changed.
4. It is evident that time has no life span.
5. It is evident that time does not have time.
Now from that we proceed with.
1. Since time exists without having a life-span, things can exist without time.
Now we get:
1. Since things can exist without time, a timeless God can exist.
I am not going to get any further because then it would get complicated and it would be difficult to logically prove the existance of my God.
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Message 2 of 6 (315622)
05-27-2006 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Christian7
05-27-2006 1:46 PM


Where?
Do you think this suits Faith and Belief?
Before I consider promoting it I'd like to see a further premise formally declared 'There is a God', it is implied by premise 7 but I think it should be explicitly put forward as a premise.
Other Admins may promote without.
Abe: the topic needs a better name. How about 'God exists outside of time' or something more suitable as you think.
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Christian7
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Message 3 of 6 (315624)
05-27-2006 2:19 PM
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05-27-2006 2:10 PM


Re: Where?
I have removed the premise concerding God all together. I am trying to use godless-arguments to come to the conclusion that a timeless God CAN exist, not that he DOES actually exist. I don't want to use God in the premise.

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Message 4 of 6 (315627)
05-27-2006 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Christian7
05-27-2006 2:19 PM


Re: Where?
OK, things look good for a promotion in my opinion. Now, you need to think of a 'theme' for the thread.
If we promote this to one of the science fora (for example Misc Fora) you will probably find people questioning your scientific concept of time etc.
To avoid that as being a problem you can try the Faith and Belief forum, but if you want to concentrate on logic then that might not be something you are comfortable with.
A final possibility is to discuss this in the coffee house, which might be the best bet in general.
However, its your choice depending on how you want this to proceed.

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Christian7
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Message 5 of 6 (315636)
05-27-2006 3:31 PM
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05-27-2006 2:39 PM


Re: Where?
Put it in the Miscellanous Forum or The Big Bang and Cosmology forum.

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Message 6 of 6 (315639)
05-27-2006 4:04 PM


Thread copied to the A timeless God can exist. thread in the Big Bang and Cosmology forum, this copy of the thread has been closed.

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