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Crooked to what standard
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Message 1 of 5 (455792)
02-13-2008 7:29 PM


Imagine a race. The track is huge, hundreds of thousands of lanes wide. There are only four rules:
  • You must start on the starting line (which is the same for everybody)
  • You must start when the gun sounds
  • You must stay within your lane (or run in a strait line, for the course is strait)
  • You must run at the exact same speed throught the race, which is determined for you
    So, the gun sounds. The moment after that, everybody seems to be in one 'group'. Ten seconds later, you notice that a few people are pulling ahead while others are at the back. A minute later, there would be, say, three distict groups, the 'fast' the 'moderate' and the 'slow' people. There may not be any major distinguishing feature between the two. Ten minutes later (it's a long race; we assume that the racers won't get tired, hungry, or need to use the bathroom... for the sake of the illustration), there'll be a wide differance. You'd instantly be able to tell who'd get first (remember they have to run at a constant speed), second, hundredth, thousands, etc. simply because they can't speed up or slow down to change their place.
    Three billion years later (the racers don't die, either), you'd have a really wide range of people, spread out over hundreds of billions of miles on the track. However, the predictions made on who's first and who'd third are still the same now, only now there's more distance between the racers to show their places.
    You'd not expect the racers to switch places, no matter how many billions of years you give it, right. No racer would pass another racer.
    Now, let's switch it up a bit. Now, instead of a starting line, there's a starting point. All of the track eminate from this point. The gun sounds. Still, after millions of years, no racer will pass another in their distance from the starting point.
    And yet, when we look up at the stars, we see clusters of stars that are moving at vastly differant speeds, but together. Sure, you could argue, the fast stars would catch up with the slow ones and make a cluster-like appearance.
    But all of the stars started at the same point, right? If not, the Big Bang theory is wrong. So, if they started at the same point, the fast stars would quickly get ahead of the slow ones and never have to 'catch up' with anything.
    So, because we can see these clusters, the stars must have been created moving and distanced. Then, and only then, could fast stars catch up with slow ones. However, that proves God exists.
    What do you have to say to this, all of you evolutionists out there?

    Iesous
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    Uios
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    Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior.

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     Message 2 by Admin, posted 02-14-2008 9:55 AM Crooked to what standard has replied

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    Message 2 of 5 (455865)
    02-14-2008 9:55 AM
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    02-13-2008 7:29 PM


    Your analogy of the Big Bang to a race with constant speed runners fails to include something analogous to the effects of gravity, which is a fairly fatal flaw. Would you like to modify your OP, or would you like this promoted as is?

    --Percy
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    Message 3 of 5 (455989)
    02-14-2008 9:36 PM
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    02-14-2008 9:55 AM


    I see your point. But I can't think of a way to include gravity into this analogy. If you could suggest a way, I'd be happy to do so.

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    Message 4 of 5 (456050)
    02-15-2008 8:39 AM
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    02-14-2008 9:36 PM


    I couldn't suggest any improvements to your analogy that would allow it to retain the quality of being an argument against the Big Bang. If I promoted it there might be discussions about how gravity might be incorporated into the analogy, but people might also focus on other flaws that I didn't mention, such as that your analogy assumes that such things as a center of the universe and absolute motion exist.
    I'll just go ahead and promote this, it should provoke some interesting discussion and bring to light some subtle but key concepts related to the Big Bang.

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    Message 5 of 5 (456052)
    02-15-2008 8:40 AM


    Thread copied to the Universe Race thread in the Big Bang and Cosmology forum, this copy of the thread has been closed.

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