Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9164 total)
5 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,912 Year: 4,169/9,624 Month: 1,040/974 Week: 367/286 Day: 10/13 Hour: 0/1


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   The origin of new alleles
tyler121515
Junior Member (Idle past 6073 days)
Posts: 11
Joined: 09-29-2006


Message 1 of 4 (371203)
12-20-2006 4:52 PM


I'm new to this forum but for the last couple of weeks I've taken a slight interest in the evolution vs. creation debate. I don't know if this topic has already been covered extensively on here before, but I searched and found nothing. Although I do not know very much about evolution/creation, something recently occurred to me and if I'm correct and not being naive, then surely it would be a huge blow to the young Earth view. People who believe in a global flood 4500 years ago contend that the "kinds" aboard the Ark genetically diversified very rapidly following the flood, but that the mechanism of this diversfication was not mutation but other genetic mechanisms like recombination, crossing over, chromsome translocations, etc. In other words, alleles are shuffled around and swapped among chromsomes, but no "new" alleles are created during these processes. We all know that each individual has two alleles per gene in their genome; one from mom and one from dad. If a genetic bottleneck actually occurred some 4500 years ago, this would reduce the number of possible alleles to 4 for each "kind" since there were only two representatives of each kind aboard the Ark. Today, obviously there are much more than just four alleles per gene in the gene of pool of any given "kind" . For example, among the human "kind", 240 different alleles have been identified for for the HLA-B locus. Where did these new alleles come from if not from mutations? If young Earthers deny the ability of mutations to create new alleles, they must present some alternative mechanism by which new alleles can be generated, or accept the ability of mutations to do so. If they accept mutations, then they must admit that mutations can in fact createnew "information" (because as far I can see, a new allele would be new "information"). And if they go so far as the admit this, then what is to stop evolution from changing one kind into another?
Edited by tyler121515, : typo

Replies to this message:
 Message 2 by AdminNosy, posted 12-21-2006 11:09 PM tyler121515 has replied

AdminNosy
Administrator
Posts: 4754
From: Vancouver, BC, Canada
Joined: 11-11-2003


Message 2 of 4 (371517)
12-21-2006 11:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by tyler121515
12-20-2006 4:52 PM


Where to put this?
Hi tyler,
This isn't a bad first post at all. However I'm not sure where to put it.
It can go in biological evolution if you want to discuss science or Bible accuracy if you want it from a Biblical prespective.
I'll also warn you that if you expect reasonable answers from believers in Noah's ark you won't get any if you get any response at all.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by tyler121515, posted 12-20-2006 4:52 PM tyler121515 has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 3 by tyler121515, posted 12-22-2006 3:39 AM AdminNosy has not replied

tyler121515
Junior Member (Idle past 6073 days)
Posts: 11
Joined: 09-29-2006


Message 3 of 4 (371546)
12-22-2006 3:39 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by AdminNosy
12-21-2006 11:09 PM


Re: Where to put this?
My guess would be to put it in biological evolution since we are discussing the actual genetic mechanisms of evolution.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 2 by AdminNosy, posted 12-21-2006 11:09 PM AdminNosy has not replied

AdminNosy
Administrator
Posts: 4754
From: Vancouver, BC, Canada
Joined: 11-11-2003


Message 4 of 4 (371582)
12-22-2006 10:12 AM


Thread copied to the The origin of new alleles thread in the Biological Evolution forum, this copy of the thread has been closed.

Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024