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OrthodoxJew
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02-14-2016 5:05 PM


"God created the universe from an infinitesimal point, which expanded to its present size."
Were these words spoken by a modern-day astrophysicist, who happened to be religious?
Nope. Try Nachmanides, back in the 13th century, in his commentary on Genesis 1. He was quoting the Talmud, which was already ancient in his day.
One gets the mental image of scientists struggling to climb a steep mountain, only to reach the top and find rabbis in lawn chairs.

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Could you supply an online reference to Nachmanides exact words, or to the words from the Talmud he was quoting, so that people may examine them for themselves?

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His commentary on Genesis 1:1 is a long one. I just found it several paragraphs before the end. He says, "And behold, in this creation, which was like a tiny, miniscule dot of nothingness, all the creations in heaven and earth were created." Lest you think he meant that that dot was like the world we now see, only smaller, in the next paragraph he says there was no matter in it, and He then gave it form.
What an apt description of the early universe, which we today know was a miniscule dot of pure energy.
I am translating from the Hebrew, which I speak fluently. The open-minded skeptic is invited to go to any Jewish bookstore in an English-speaking country and verify that I am translating it correctly.
I have so far not located his citation of the Talmud. That does not, of course, detract from my point, as Nachmanides predated modern science by 700 years.

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I don't think it would be fair to promote an online discussion thread where everyone doesn't have online access to the source material.
You might want to take a look at the thread Nachmanides taught Big Bang from Bible in 13th Century?. Unfortunately the link in the opening post no longer exists, the thread is over a decade old, but maybe you'll find the thread helpful in locating online sources.

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