What the KJV Bible says about the Noah Flood

Proposal for Bible Study using KJV, LXX and Hebrew text.
There is much confusion about what the Bible says about the flood of Noah.Genesis 1:9, 10 tells us the water was gathered to one place and dry land appeared which was called earth, or dry land if you prefer.There is no place that is stated that the land was divided prior to the flood of Noah.Genesis 6:7 tells us the LORD was going to destroy all creatures, both man, and beast, including the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air.Genesis 6:8 tells us, But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.Genesis 6:13, 14 tells us God told Noah to build an ark and the following verses told him the size of the ark to build.Noah was told who his passengers would be.Chapter 7 tells us that the passengers arrived and were boarded.Genesis 7:11,12 tells us that the fountains of the deep was opened up and the windows of heaven were opened and it began to rain and did so for 40 days and 40 nights.The following verses tells us that the water was upon the earth 150 days before it began to receed, which took another 150 days.Genesis 10:25 tells us that the earth was divided in the days of Peleg.That being the case there would be no worldwide layer of anything left by the flood.In Message 1 iceage said:

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But just how does a single deluge transport immobile animals and marine plants up the higher elevations and even sometimes deposited marine fossils in several different horizons in a single column?

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I will argue the Bible does not teach the flood transported immobile animals to higher elevations..In Message 26 Buzsaw states:

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Imo, since the ocean crusts average much thinner than the continental crusts by about 6 or 7 times thinner, likely the massive flood waters flowing to the lower thinner crust valleys caused a great amount of tectonic movement of both the larger 7 plates and the more numerous smaller plates causing tectonic plate collisions and uplift etc. This activity would no doubt do a great deal of mountain forming including the larger ranges which tend to be near the coastlines of the oceans, imo making flood sense.

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I will argue the Bible does not teach tectronic plate collisions took place during the flood.In Message 95 Buzsaw states:

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1. I believe Mt Everest was formed by a collision of two plates, imo caused by flood induced tectonic activity.
2. Some volcanoe peaks were heat induced. If you are referring to the canopy theory that would be a different topic.

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I will argue the Bible does not teach the flood induced tectronic activity Buzsaw proclaims.In Message 22 Taz said:

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A violent world wide flood that covered even the highest mountain top we would expect to distribute things very evenly (that is if it's possible for a flood to bring up sea shells to some thousands and thousands of feet high). These same fossils are found on the sides of some mountains while are found on tops of other mountains. These locations are some thousands of feet high in variation.

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I will argue there was no violent world wide flood. But that there was a world wide flood.

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Geophysically, we begin with a pre-Flood earth differentiated into core, mantle, and crust, with the crust horizontally differentiated into sialic craton and mafic ocean floor. The Flood was initiated as slabs of oceanic floor broke loose and subducted along thousands of kilometers of pre-Flood continental margins. Deformation of the mantle by these slabs raised the temperature and lowered the viscosity of the mantle in the vicinity of the slabs. A resulting thermal runaway of the slabs through the mantle led to meters-per-second mantle convection. Cool oceanic crust which descended to the core/mantle boundary induced rapid reversals of the earth’s magnetic field. Large plumes originating near the core/mantle boundary expressed themselves at the surface as fissure eruptions and flood basalts. Flow induced in the mantle also produced rapid extension along linear belts throughout the sea floor and rapid horizontal displacement of continents. Upwelling magma jettisoned steam into the atmosphere causing intense global rain. Rapid emplacement of isostatically lighter mantle material raised the level of the ocean floor, displacing ocean water onto the continents. When virtually all the pre-Flood oceanic floor had been replaced with new, less-dense, less-subductable, oceanic crust, catastrophic plate motion stopped. Subsequent cooling increased the density of the new ocean floor, producing deeper ocean basins and a reservoir for post-Flood oceans.

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SourceI will argue the Bible does not support the catastrophic global flood described at the site and in their literature, this quote was taken from.

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Flood geology (also creation geology or diluvial geology) is the interpretation of the geological history of the Earth in terms of the global flood described in Genesis 6—9

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SourceI will argue that the geological history of the Earth is not taught in the text to be produced by the flood of Noah.I will argue the text found in the KJV , LXX, and Hebrew Text does not support any of the above arguments.I will argue the text found in the KJV , LXX, and Hebrew Text does support a world wide flood.I will also argue that the texts support an extended period of existence in which all the land mass was covered with water other than the flood of Noah in which all life forms died.God Bless,Edited by ICANT, : Set for promotion

You haven't shown us where the confusion is.You need to clarify what you are countering.Your OP doesn't really tell me what you are defending against.As written, I don't see a point or position.AdminPD

Hi PD, I am simply defending the statements in the Bible against the drivil that is put forth on EvC concerning the flood of Noah.Here are some examples.In Message 1 iceage said:

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But just how does a single deluge transport immobile animals and marine plants up the higher elevations and even sometimes deposited marine fossils in several different horizons in a single column?

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This implies that there are those who believe and teach the flood of Noah is responsible for all deposits of marine fossils in and on mountains.
The Bible teaches no such nonsense.
In Message 26 Buzsaw states:

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Imo, since the ocean crusts average much thinner than the continental crusts by about 6 or 7 times thinner, likely the massive flood waters flowing to the lower thinner crust valleys caused a great amount of tectonic movement of both the larger 7 plates and the more numerous smaller plates causing tectonic plate collisions and uplift etc. This activity would no doubt do a great deal of mountain forming including the larger ranges which tend to be near the coastlines of the oceans, imo making flood sense.

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The Bible teachs no such nonsense.
In Message 95 Buzsaw states:

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1. I believe Mt Everest was formed by a collision of two plates, imo caused by flood induced tectonic activity.
2. Some volcanoe peaks were heat induced. If you are referring to the canopy theory that would be a different topic.

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The Bible does not teach the flood induced tectronic activity.
In Message 22 Taz said:

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A violent world wide flood that covered even the highest mountain top we would expect to distribute things very evenly (that is if it's possible for a flood to bring up sea shells to some thousands and thousands of feet high). These same fossils are found on the sides of some mountains while are found on tops of other mountains. These locations are some thousands of feet high in variation.

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There are mountains that are underwater at this time that if they were raised above sea level by a plate diving under where they reside would protrude above the water and have fossils on and in them. Which explains how the sea shells got in and on the mountains on earth now.My argument is that the Bible states the land mass was in one place at the time of the flood. The Bible states that the highest point on that land mass was covered by 15 cubits of water. The Bible states that the earth was divided after the flood of Noah.Just about everyone here including YEC'S disagree with the above and I am ready to defend what the Bible says about the flood of Noah.I am not interested in the normal arguments that are presented for and against the flood.I am interested in what the Bible says, and defending that position.If no one is interested is such a debate so be it.God Bless,Edited by ICANT, : No reason given.

I still don't see a well defined topic for Bible Study.There should be two sides of the issue. I don't see any actual claims that the Bible says or teaches such and such that you're arguing against.I have a feeling this would devolve into the same old flood debate found on the science side.As written I'm not inclined to promote.

Hi PD,Then we won't debate what the Bible says about the flood of Noah.God Bless,

Hi PD,I have been urged to try again to get my topic promoted as there are those who would like to know what my arguments would be, so I will try one more time.Proposal for Bible Study using KJV, LXX and Hebrew text.
There is much confusion about what the Bible says about the flood of Noah.Genesis 1:9, 10 tells us the water was gathered to one place and dry land appeared which was called earth, or dry land if you prefer.There is no place that is stated that the land was divided prior to the flood of Noah.Genesis 6:7 tells us the LORD was going to destroy all creatures, both man, and beast, including the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air.Genesis 6:8 tells us, But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.Genesis 6:13, 14 tells us God told Noah to build an ark and the following verses told him the size of the ark to build.Noah was told who his passengers would be.Chapter 7 tells us that the passengers arrived and were boarded.Genesis 7:11,12 tells us that the fountains of the deep was opened up and the windows of heaven were opened and it began to rain and did so for 40 days and 40 nights.The following verses tells us that the water was upon the earth 150 days before it began to receed, which took another 150 days.Genesis 10:25 tells us that the earth was divided in the days of Peleg.That being the case there would be no worldwide layer of anything left by the flood.In Message 1 iceage said:

quote:

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But just how does a single deluge transport immobile animals and marine plants up the higher elevations and even sometimes deposited marine fossils in several different horizons in a single column?

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I will argue the Bible does not teach the flood transported immobile animals to higher elevations..In Message 26 Buzsaw states:

quote:

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Imo, since the ocean crusts average much thinner than the continental crusts by about 6 or 7 times thinner, likely the massive flood waters flowing to the lower thinner crust valleys caused a great amount of tectonic movement of both the larger 7 plates and the more numerous smaller plates causing tectonic plate collisions and uplift etc. This activity would no doubt do a great deal of mountain forming including the larger ranges which tend to be near the coastlines of the oceans, imo making flood sense.

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I will argue the Bible does not teach tectronic plate collisions took place during the flood.In Message 95 Buzsaw states:

quote:

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1. I believe Mt Everest was formed by a collision of two plates, imo caused by flood induced tectonic activity.
2. Some volcanoe peaks were heat induced. If you are referring to the canopy theory that would be a different topic.

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I will argue the Bible does not teach the flood induced tectronic activity Buzsaw proclaims.In Message 22 Taz said:

quote:

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A violent world wide flood that covered even the highest mountain top we would expect to distribute things very evenly (that is if it's possible for a flood to bring up sea shells to some thousands and thousands of feet high). These same fossils are found on the sides of some mountains while are found on tops of other mountains. These locations are some thousands of feet high in variation.

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I will argue there was no violent world wide flood. But that there was a world wide flood.

quote:

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Geophysically, we begin with a pre-Flood earth differentiated into core, mantle, and crust, with the crust horizontally differentiated into sialic craton and mafic ocean floor. The Flood was initiated as slabs of oceanic floor broke loose and subducted along thousands of kilometers of pre-Flood continental margins. Deformation of the mantle by these slabs raised the temperature and lowered the viscosity of the mantle in the vicinity of the slabs. A resulting thermal runaway of the slabs through the mantle led to meters-per-second mantle convection. Cool oceanic crust which descended to the core/mantle boundary induced rapid reversals of the earth’s magnetic field. Large plumes originating near the core/mantle boundary expressed themselves at the surface as fissure eruptions and flood basalts. Flow induced in the mantle also produced rapid extension along linear belts throughout the sea floor and rapid horizontal displacement of continents. Upwelling magma jettisoned steam into the atmosphere causing intense global rain. Rapid emplacement of isostatically lighter mantle material raised the level of the ocean floor, displacing ocean water onto the continents. When virtually all the pre-Flood oceanic floor had been replaced with new, less-dense, less-subductable, oceanic crust, catastrophic plate motion stopped. Subsequent cooling increased the density of the new ocean floor, producing deeper ocean basins and a reservoir for post-Flood oceans.

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SourceI will argue the Bible does not support the catastrophic global flood described at the site and in their literature, this quote was taken from.

quote:

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Flood geology (also creation geology or diluvial geology) is the interpretation of the geological history of the Earth in terms of the global flood described in Genesis 6—9

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SourceI will argue that the geological history of the Earth is not taught in the text to be produced by the flood of Noah.I will argue the text found in the KJV , LXX, and Hebrew Text does not support any of the above arguments.I will argue the text found in the KJV , LXX, and Hebrew Text does support a world wide flood.I will also argue that the texts support an extended period of existence in which all the land mass was covered with water other than the flood of Noah in which all life forms died.God Bless,

The problem is that no one has claimed that the Bible does teach these things and what you have presented doesn't belong in the Bible study forum. At best it could go in the Theological Creationism and ID, but those who want to participate have to understand that it is on the religious side and not the science side.Do you want this in Theological Creationism and ID?

Hi PD, That would be fine with me as long as we can use the Bible and argue what the Bible says to refute what YEC'S say and most resident posters here at EvC say about how the flood of Noah transpired.God Bless,

It is on the religious side. Religious books are valid resources.Please adjust the op to read the way you want it and I will promote it.Thanks
AdminPD

Hi PD,I used Message 6 as the OP.God Bless,

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