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Author Topic:   another view on gravitational relativity by Maarten Vergucht
Maartenn100
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08-13-2011 10:44 AM


Hello,
I'm new here and from Belgium. My English is not very well, but I will try and I hope you will forgive me when I don't formulate something correct.
I'm a student in psychology (in my free time as an adult) and tried to think about perceiving time and space by an observer.
I think I found an interesting issue, related to relativity. I want to post it on the forum for criticism. To get some feedback.
The twinparadox
I believe that the twinparadox is for relative movements in a uniform gravitational field.
Why?
Because when an astronaut leaves earth, he must accellerate to leave the gravitational field.
While he is accellerating away from Earth, he sees the 'object Earth' more and more turning around.
First the Earth stood still, no he sees the earth more and more turning around. So the heavy object were he is moving away from is not only moving away from him from his reference point of view. This heavy object is also turning around itself more and more.
When the astronaut is leaving the solarsystem, he is not only measuring that the heavy object Earth is moving away from him relative to his reference point of view.
No, he sees that the heavy object Earth also succesively is turning around the sun more and more till it reaches the speed of 30 m/s around the sun.
When the earth is moving away from him - relative to his reference point of view - it's also spinning around the sun at 30 m/s, then the astronaut himself is outside the solarsystem and is not turning around the sun anymore.
So the timedilation of the object by progressively spinning in the gravitational field by the measurements of the moving observer is is not calculated in the measurements of relativity in the gravitational field.
The Earth or any other object is not only going away from us from our point of view, but is also beginning to move around its axis, around the sun, the sun begins to move in the milkeyway. While we are leaving the solarsystem.
When an heavy object as the sun is not only moving away from our point of view (we as astronauts, escaping the gravitational influence from the sun), but also begins to move in the gravitational field (g) in the Milkey Way, while we are leaving the Milkey Way, according to us, then there is no paradox anymore for the timedistortions.
Both objects will have the same time while coming back together.
The twins will have the same age when they meet again.
Because the twin who stood on earth was not only accelarating away relative to the traveling twin. He was also turning around more and more. Spinning around the earth, wobbling with a moon, spinning more and more around a sun and so on.
The timedilations caused by these measurable spinning movements are not involved in the calculations for gravitational relativity.
Therefore I think that the twinparadox is only a paradox in a uniform gravitational field, but not when an observer is moving away from an object in space.
When an observer is moving away from an object in space, that object is not only moving away from him from his point of view. But while he or she is accellerating to escape the gravitational field, that object begins also to spin in the gravitational field that he is leaving.
The gravitational accelerations of the bodies will be measured to as movements of the bodies, and will be the cause for the measured timedistortions of these bodies.
These measurable movements of the objects in the gravitational field does change their time (timedistortion) relative to the time of the travelling observer.
Therefore the timedilations will cancel eachother out.
The reason according to me:
G must stay constant for everyone.
I hope you understood what I wanted to say, because my English is not very well.
If you have questions, I like to answer them.
Maarten Vergucht
Belgium.
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08-13-2011 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Maartenn100
08-13-2011 10:44 AM


Sending you to an existing topic
1) You're new here and haven't participated in any other topics.
2) Your topic has no obvious connection to the creationism/evolution debate that is the core of this forum.
3) I had something for 3, but I've been up for something like 22 hours and I've lost it.
Anyway, we have an older relevant topic here - The Twins Paradox and the speed of light. I suggest you go to that topic and do some reading. You don't have to read the whole thing real carefully, but I recommend reading the earlier messages fairly carefully (probably the best stuff happened early) and do more of a skim of the rest of the topic.
Then you may wish to add your input to that topic.
By the way, welcome to evcforum.net.
Adminnemooseus
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Maartenn100
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08-13-2011 11:25 AM
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08-13-2011 11:15 AM


Re: Sending you to an existing topic
ok, I will post it there. Thank you.

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