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Author | Topic: Is a Literal Interpretation of the Bible Even Possible? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dave B Junior Member (Idle past 3813 days) Posts: 12 Joined: |
There are actually two parts to this question:
1. How can a text which contains obvious contradictions be taken literally? This appears to create a logical dilemma which cannot be solved with a literal interpretation. 2. How can one resolve these logical contradictions while maintaining a literal interpretation? Some examples of contradictions within the Bible include (but are not limited to): The stories of Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. Namely, the in order in which creation occured. Jim Meritt Bible Contradictions » Internet Infidels The number of animals taken on the Ark by Noah in Genesis 7:2 and 7:8 / 7.9. Jim Meritt Bible Contradictions » Internet Infidels The last words spoken by Jesus as told by Matthew, Luke and John. Jim Meritt Bible Contradictions » Internet Infidels Edited by Dave B, : Added examples of Biblical contradictions.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3984 Joined: |
...which contains obvious contradictions... Example(s), please. Please add by edit to message 1, then post a "changes done" type reply to this message. Adminnemooseus
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Dave B Junior Member (Idle past 3813 days) Posts: 12 Joined: |
Added examples of Biblical contradictions to proposed topic including references to specific passages.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3984 Joined: |
Your added materials are essentially bare links, which is a forum rule violation - Still, I'm going to promote it. We shall see what happens.
This is going to the "Bible Study" forum. It should be a study of supposed contradictions/conflicts within the Bible, NOT conflicts between the Bible and worldly reality. Let the disaster ensue. Adminnemooseus Please be familiar with the various topics and other links in the "Essential Links", found in the top of the page menu. Amongst other things, this is where to find where to report various forum problems.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3984 Joined: |
Thread copied here from the Is a Literal Interpretation of the Bible Even Possible? thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1640 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Dave B writes: 1. How can a text which contains obvious contradictions be taken literally? This appears to create a logical dilemma which cannot be solved with a literal interpretation. you are conflating "literal" with "accurate". these words do not mean the same thing. while it is impossible for two contradictory statements both to be accurate, it is not impossible for both of those statements to be meant literally. one is (or both are) simply wrong.
2. How can one resolve these logical contradictions while maintaining a literal interpretation? that the text literally conflicts.
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jar Member (Idle past 136 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Of course you can read the Bible literally. The only real issues are thinking that it is actually one book and so different stories need to be consistent and thinking that it can't simply be wrong.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Dave B Junior Member (Idle past 3813 days) Posts: 12 Joined: |
arachnophilia writes:
Agreed. It is not impossible for both to be meant literally. However, it is impossible for both to be taken literally. And that was my question.
Dave B writes: 1. How can a text which contains obvious contradictions be taken literally? This appears to create a logical dilemma which cannot be solved with a literal interpretation. you are conflating "literal" with "accurate". these words do not mean the same thing. while it is impossible for two contradictory statements both to be accurate, it is not impossible for both of those statements to be meant literally. one is (or both are) simply wrong.
2. How can one resolve these logical contradictions while maintaining a literal interpretation? that the text literally conflicts.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1640 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Dave B writes: Agreed. It is not impossible for both to be meant literally. However, it is impossible for both to be taken literally. And that was my question. no, you're still confusing "literal" with "accurate". i can take something literally without also thinking it's accurate. for example, i do not think your post (which i am quoting) is accurate. however, i do not think it is therefor metaphorical, or in some way non-literal. i take your post literally, i just think it's in error.
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Dave B Junior Member (Idle past 3813 days) Posts: 12 Joined: |
jar writes:
Exactly. If you want to take the Bible literally you need to explain away the stories that conflict with your literal interpretation. It is not possible for two contradictory stories, taken literally, to both be correct.
Of course you can read the Bible literally. The only real issues are thinking that it is actually one book and so different stories need to be consistent and thinking that it can't simply be wrong.
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jar Member (Idle past 136 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Dave B writes: jar writes:
Exactly. If you want to take the Bible literally you need to explain away the stories that conflict with your literal interpretation. It is not possible for two contradictory stories, taken literally, to both be correct. Of course you can read the Bible literally. The only real issues are thinking that it is actually one book and so different stories need to be consistent and thinking that it can't simply be wrong. But the Bible is not one book. And it is certainly possible for two conflicting statements to be literally true within two different stories. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1640 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Dave B writes: Exactly. If you want to take the Bible literally you need to explain away the stories that conflict with your literal interpretation. no i don't. the fact that stories contradict does not mean that i cannot read or interpret them literally. i just can't think they are all literally correct.
It is not possible for two contradictory stories, taken literally, to both be correct. sure. but that wasn't the question was it?
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Dave B Junior Member (Idle past 3813 days) Posts: 12 Joined: |
arachnophilia writes:
I completely understand the semantics. But you cannot take two contradictory statements regarding the same truth, literally, without confronting some sort of logical dilemma. One of the two statements has to be incorrect (not accurate). Dave B writes: Agreed. It is not impossible for both to be meant literally. However, it is impossible for both to be taken literally. And that was my question. no, you're still confusing "literal" with "accurate". i can take something literally without also thinking it's accurate. for example, i do not think your post (which i am quoting) is accurate. however, i do not think it is therefor metaphorical, or in some way non-literal. i take your post literally, i just think it's in error. Let's assume we do not take the Bible literally, and instead we take it allegorically; both statements could be correct. Would you agree with this?
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Dave B Junior Member (Idle past 3813 days) Posts: 12 Joined: |
jar writes:
So which of the two stories is accurate? One is to be taken literally and the other would be... what? Incorrect? Allegorical? If both describe the same event they cannot both be correct. Dave B writes: jar writes:
Exactly. If you want to take the Bible literally you need to explain away the stories that conflict with your literal interpretation. It is not possible for two contradictory stories, taken literally, to both be correct. Of course you can read the Bible literally. The only real issues are thinking that it is actually one book and so different stories need to be consistent and thinking that it can't simply be wrong. But the Bible is not one book. And it is certainly possible for two conflicting statements to be literally true within two different stories. I see you want to argue semantics so let me clarify: The Bible is considered to be accurate when read literally. When two accounts contradict one another which one do we accept as accurate?
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Dave B Junior Member (Idle past 3813 days) Posts: 12 Joined: |
arachnophilia writes:
I apologize for not making it clear that those who interpret the Bible literally also believe it to be accurate. I assumed that that was implied in my asking of the question.
Dave B writes: Exactly. If you want to take the Bible literally you need to explain away the stories that conflict with your literal interpretation. no i don't. the fact that stories contradict does not mean that i cannot read or interpret them literally. i just can't think they are all literally correct.
It is not possible for two contradictory stories, taken literally, to both be correct. sure. but that wasn't the question was it?
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