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Message 1 of 2 (492846)
01-03-2009 9:41 AM


the "magic yeast" concept
From What i can't understand about evolution...., seekingfirstthekingdom says
Message 179
I certainly am very ignorant regarding the mystical properties of this yeast that is able to transform itself into other lifeforms razd.Care to point out anywhere in the natural world where this occurs?Thanks in advance.
My reply was:
Message 182
quote:
Thanks, seekingfirstthekingdom, for the reply.
I certainly am very ignorant regarding the mystical properties of this yeast that is able to transform itself into other lifeforms razd.
Is this how you think evolution happens? That individual organisms "transform" into new organisms?
Care to point out anywhere in the natural world where this occurs?
Care to point out any scientific reference that says this is what happens?
Here are a couple of references you can peruse (read and study) and quote from:
berkeley evolution 101
berkeley evolution 101, definition of evolution
U.Mich, The Process of Speciation
U.Mich, Evolution and Natural Selection
These represent the teaching of two universities that provide degree courses in (real actual) evolutionary biology, so these are valid sources of information on evolution.
Another source is:
Darwin Online
ON THE ORIGIN OF SPECIES BY MEANS OF NATURAL SELECTION, OR THE PRESERVATION OF FAVOURED RACES IN THE STRUGGLE FOR LIFE. BY CHARLES DARWIN, M.A.,
One should always go to the original source to discuss a scientific theory, rather than rely on dubious websites by authors of unknown expertise.
Evolution is the change in hereditary traits in populations from generation to generation. The process of evolution occurs constantly, all around the world, in all forms of life.
Care to point out anywhere in the natural world where this occurs?
You can compare the hereditary traits in one generation to those in the next and measure the differences. That is evolution occurring "in the natural world" and it is an observed fact.
Darwin's insight was that this simple process was sufficient to explain the diversity of life as we know it, from history, prehistory, archeology, geology, paleontology, the fossil record and the genetic (though he didn't know about it) record.
This theory is tested, among other ways, by using the fossil record to see if it matches what the theory predicts. What the fossil record shows is what happened, the theory - if it is correct - explains how it happened.
Enjoy.
The only response from seekingfirstthekingdom (before he was suspended from posting on that thread) is 3 consecutive replies to another post of mine:
Message 184
Without any proof of this single celled ancestor being able to multiply forth into the multitude of animals we see today,im afraid my point still stands.Theres no proof in the natural world today or the fossil record that this most astonishing organism even existed.Why am i repeating myself?I fully understand for the theory of evolution to have this type of beginning there must of been this amazing creature.However you cant point to it,and cant seem to replicate in a science lab either.Is there a possibility this wondrous creature never did what you guys are claiming it did?
Message 185
Is there a possibilty similarities in our genetic structure are due to someone or something forming us to all cohabit on the planet?Remembering ive asked all of you to come up with a ancestral line and only one seems to have managed it.Give me time, ill try to offer scientific reasons why i think it doesnt hold up to scrutiny.
Message 186
i can understand the practical implications of what discovering an organism like this holds.Basically you could seed the deserts,multiply endangered animals and solve food shortages.Im more than happy for it to be discovered.

If I may summarize your position it is
  1. that you think evolution theorizes a single organism (that you miscall a yeast) that has over the millenia transformed itself into each of the various life forms we see today.
  2. that listing all the transitional fossils from the first life to man is in some way required for evolution to be true.
Feel free to comment if I have left anything out from your 23 (current number) of posts, all of them on the What i can't understand about evolution.... thread.
If you don't mind, I will call the first concept in this list the "magic yeast" concept.
You will note that in my previous response quoted above I asked you for documentation of where this "magic yeast" concept was found in the scientific literature, and -as yet- you have failed to provide that. Now is your opportunity to do so.
Enjoy.


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Message 2 of 2 (492854)
01-03-2009 10:03 AM


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