Was Jesus a Creationist?

Creationists contend Jesus supported their literalist view, but did He? See "What Jesus Said About the Creation Story and the Flood" at Faith & Reason Ministries, http://www.faithreason.org/

Who knows what Jesus thought? It's not like he left any writings.

There are no specific examples that Jesus himself spoke about creation or the flood. However, there are numerous scriptues that state Jesus was the creator of the heavens and the earth i.e. Colossians 1:16-17, Psalm 33:6,9, John 1:1-3. From these scriptures it is clear Jesus was the creator of the the earth, and all forms of life therein.

Uh, creationists keep saying "goddidit". Not "Jesus", but "God". Uh, no. Have you even read those three sets of verses? All three refer to God, not to Jesus. Psalms even predates Jesus.You claim that they "state Jesus was the creator of the heavens and the earth" whereas they in fact do not. Your claim is false.

In the bible God and Jesus are the same. God is actually three people, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. If you look at all of the scriptures I listed you will see what I mean. The Bible talks of God and Jesus in the same way.

Jesus mentioned Noah in a manner suggesting he considered the biblical record to be accurate, according to the gospels.

dwise, the first chapter of John says everything is created via the Logos, and that the Logos became flesh.....Jesus the is the Logos (the reality), which is why he said he was "the truth."The Logos is the underlying reality of all things. Everything, at it's root, is a word (an information packet) from God that gives it it's existence. Nothing self-exists, which is one reason we should probably think of the universe as fundamentally immaterial with physical existence being a byproduct of that fundamental immaterial, spiritual and informational state.

You claimed and I quote (emphasis mine): And yet none of the verses cited contained the name, "Jesus". None of them stated that Jesus was the Creator.Therefore, your claim that those verses make such a statement is false.It is only by your applying your theology that you are able to interpret those verses (and any other reference to YHWH in the Bible) as actually referring to Jesus.Again, identifying Jesus as the Creator as based on those verses is strictly a matter of your interpretation, not a direct statement by those verses. Remember, your claim is that those verses made such a direct statement, which they clearly do not. And please note that for anyone who does not share your theology that Jesus and God are one-and-the-same, those verses would clearly not be naming Jesus.

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{When you search for God, y}ou can't go to the people who believe already. They've made up their minds and want to convince you of their own personal heresy.
("The Jehovah Contract", AKA "Der Jehova-Vertrag", by Viktor Koman, 1984)Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote the world.
(from filk song "Word of God" by Dr. Catherine Faber, No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.echoschildren.org/CDlyrics/WORDGOD.HTML)Of course, if Dr. Mortimer's surmise should be correct and we are dealing with forces outside the ordinary laws of Nature, there is an end of our investigation. But we are bound to exhaust all other hypotheses before falling back upon this one.
(Sherlock Holmes in The Hound of the Baskervilles)Gentry's case depends upon his halos remaining a mystery. Once a naturalistic explanation is discovered, his claim of a supernatural origin is washed up. So he will not give aid or support to suggestions that might resolve the mystery. Science works toward an increase in knowledge; creationism depends upon a lack of it. Science promotes the open-ended search; creationism supports giving up and looking no further. It is clear which method Gentry advocates.
("Gentry's Tiny Mystery -- Unsupported by Geology" by J. Richard Wakefield, Creation/Evolution Issue XXII, Winter 1987-1988, pp 31-32)

Actually this is not "my" interpretation alone. Thousands of biblical scholars over the past few thousand years share the same interpretation. Most major christian denominations also share the same interpretation.If you choose not to belive this, that is you right. Your belief or disbelief has no bearing on whether or not it is true.Edited by seekingthetruth, : fixing quote

And exactly where did I ever say that it was your interpretation alone? I said no such thing and I tried to take care to ensure that I had not implied such a thing.Nor does it make any difference whatsoever how many others you share that theology with. My point still stands: What part of "identifying Jesus as the Creator ... [is] not a direct statement by those verses" do you not understand? Your claim was that those verses state that Jesus was the Creator. That is a demonstrably false claim, demonstrated simply by reading those verses and observing that the name Jesus does not appear in them. What part of that do you not understand?Now, solely by applying your theology, you and others who share that theology or fairly compatible versions thereof are able to interpret those verses as meaning that Jesus is the Creator, but that is entirely different from the claim that those verses state that Jesus is the Creator. What part of that do you not understand?Whether that interpretation is true or not does not matter in this case. Whether the particular belief that you based your interpretation on is true or not does not matter in this case. Whether the theology that you base that belief on is true or not does not matter in this case.What does matter is that you made a claim that is contrary-to-fact, that those verses stated something that they in fact do not state. Therefore, your claim is false. I am not talking about your interpretation of those verses, but rather your claim of what those verses state.You may believe whatever you want to believe, but when you make a claim you should at least try to be as truthful as possible. And if you offer an interpretation, you should at least try to inform us of your assumptions behind that interpretation.As you are apparently not aware, there are vast numbers of people who do not believe that Jesus is YHWH. The synagogues are filled with them, as are a number of churches. I'm sure that they would not appreciate your misuse of their Scripture. I'm referring to Psalms, of course, since the New Testament is not Scripture. Yes, you may believe that it is, but they know that it is not.And from the Christian side, we have a message in the Probability of the existence of God topic that fails to agree with your "Jesus == God" theology: Edited by dwise1, : No reason given.

Does this answer your question?It is apparent from the rest of your post there is nothing I can say that will change your mind. I suggest we agree to disagree on this point.

Are you now trying to claim that you were applying a theology which you do not at all believe in? What kind of nonsense are you trying to foist off on us there?"Your theology" means the theology that is yours, that is the one that you believe in and follow. There is absolutely nothing in that to exclude anyone else from sharing that same theology -- disregarding, of course, the simple and obvious fact that everybody builds their own theology.The fact still stands that I never said that it was your interpretation alone. And even if I had (note the use of the subjunctive mood, which indicates a contrary-to-fact premise) it would not at all affect the simple and obvious fact that your claim about what those verses state was completely and utterly false. Your subsequent false accusation is nothing but a red herring, an attempt to draw attention away from your having made a false claim.Your actions indicate that your name makes yet another false claim. If you are really seeking the truth, shouldn't you at least try to adhere to the truth? Making false claims and then tossing out red herrings to draw attention away from your false claims is moving in the opposite direction.

huh? Where did you get that idea? How is attacking my screenname at all relevant to this thread? Please refrain from such obvious personal attacks in your future responses. Are you serious? Look at the words you used and I think if in my position you would have come to the same conclusion. If you were to take a serious look at the scriptures I gave, and applied them with the other scriptures that point to Jesus divinity, you would see that you are the one using a red herring. The following scriptures all point to jesus divinity, and that he is the creator.Isaiah 7:14
Isaiah 9:6
Danial 7:13,14
Matthew 1:23
Mark 14:62
Matthew 2:11
Matthew 14:32,33
John 8:58,59
John 10:30-33
John 20:27-29
Matthew 28:16,17
Colossians 1:15,16
Colossians 2:9
Revelation 5:13,14

My theology is Catholicism. If someone refers to Catholicism as "my theology", that doesn't mean that there aren't any other Catholics.Similarly, when dwise1 refers to "your theology", he is referring to the theology that you and everyone else that has the same theology subscribes too. Nope. You said that the scriptures stated that Jesus was the creator. However, those scriptures don't state that... You are interpreting them to mean that.A jew wouldn't think that that is what the scripture is "stating".The scriptures, themselves, do not state what you said they state.You are considering your intepretation to be "the statement", but that false.

This whole my theology, your theology thing has gotten well out of hand. I suggest we all get back on the topic at hand. Jesus name does not need to be used specifically for a scripture to be talking about him. If you look at all of the scriptures you will see that they all reference HIM.