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PaulK
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Message 1 of 5 (365185)
11-21-2006 3:43 PM


The former Australian branch, renamed CSI, have put out this letter defending themselves from accusations spread by the American branch..
Letter in pdf format
Some quotes
Therefore, despite your letter’s ”superspiritual’ overtones, it effectively engages in the
serious biblical sin of slander (albeit by innuendo, and since it has been published, the
defamation is technically called libel) against the reputation of this ministry and the individuals in it.
Our preference is still to do this all in the open, in the light of day, to have an end to this
ungodly darkness and covert, backdoor tactics”and especially the distressing Scripture-
twisting to justify your behaviour.
One of the Australian group's complaints:
1) The inducing of our four former volunteer directors into signing an agreement prepared by your lawyers behind the backs of Australian management, one that we believe we can show stripped our ministry of key assets and disemboweled it in many ways, and which seriously endangered those directors in relation to their fiduciary duties under Australian law”their duty to act in the interests of the company of which they were directors. (Shortly after signing, they resigned en masse on the condition they be given indemnity for their actions.)
And more on this agreement
One of the two parts of the signed ”agreement’ claims, inter alia, that the Australian ministry had in its possession signed consents from all Creation magazine authors to violate their moral rights, including giving AiG the right to ”falsely attribute authorship’ to their works. (No such consents exist”this is a written lie.) And if any author should sue AiG-US for violating their moral rights, the Australian ministry would be liable to pay the costs and penalties! It beggars belief that anyone would consider this a just and godly thing to put in the ”agreement’. It is no wonder we claim it to be a pernicious document.
Why would AiG want the right to "falsely attribute authorship" ?
Indeed, why do your staff members fear dismissal if they talk to our staff, some of whom
have been friends for years? And the fear seems to be amply justified, as was shown when
former AiG-UK deputy CEO Philip Bell was given his marching orders”after he had
resigned with notice to allow fulfillment of his ministry engagements”for pointing out that Monty White, AiG-UK CEO, had no right to tell him who he could talk to on his own time. (Philip decided to resign on the basis of what he had personally observed, well before making contact with us, despite the false slurs to the contrary.)
There's more - I suggest reading the whole thing.

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jar
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Message 2 of 5 (365187)
11-21-2006 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by PaulK
11-21-2006 3:43 PM


Lying for Jesus is profitable, but ...
but © infringement, ™ infringement and ® infringement are pretty close.
Edited by jar, : No reason given.

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Message 3 of 5 (365188)
11-21-2006 4:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by PaulK
11-21-2006 3:43 PM


The former Australian branch, renamed CSI...
CMI, Creation Ministries International. It was CSF (Creation Science Foundation).
quote:
Our preference is still to do this all in the open, in the light of day, to have an end to this ungodly darkness and covert, backdoor tactics”and especially the distressing Scripture-twisting to justify your behaviour.
Creationists accusing other creationists of twisting scripture to justify their behavior?
I just went through the whole thing and was going to post myself, so I was delighted to see it had already come up. Its a shame - I used to think AiG were an organisation that at least tried to be as honest as they could.
The split came about because it seems that AiG wanted to lower their standards - so I guess I'll have to start referring people to CMI

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 4 of 5 (365318)
11-22-2006 6:36 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by jar
11-21-2006 4:04 PM


Re: Lying for Jesus is profitable, but ...
but © infringement, ™ infringement and ® infringement are pretty close.
Too bad Jesus never registered his own name and likeness as trademarks.
Anyone can put his name on anything--and make money off it.
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Archer
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Message 5 of 5 (365328)
11-22-2006 8:05 AM
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11-22-2006 6:36 AM


Re: Lying for Jesus is profitable, but ...
Too bad Jesus never registered his own name and likeness as trademarks.
That gives a whole new meaning to Was Jesus poor?.

Just say no to McCain 2008; he abandoned principle when he caved on habeus corpus

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