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03-08-2005 1:39 AM

Threads in [forum=-25] are persona non grata as far as discussion. They must be released to a discussion forum before they can become part of a discussion. You are bypassing Forum Guidelines regarding making your arguments within your messages and regarding the standards for opening new threads. These messages have been deleted and your privileges for opening new threads have been removed until such time as you agree to abide by the Forum Guidelines and moderator requests.
There is nothing wrong with the content of your posts, the arguments you make are valid and acceptable here. But you're using [forum=-25] as a place to post essays that you then refer to from other discussion threads. You can't do that.
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Message 2 of 3 (190557)
03-08-2005 2:33 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Soracilla
03-08-2005 1:39 AM

Can we break it down a bit more?
Hi, Soracilla. I tried to spellcheck your opening post and edit it a bit as you said could be done, but it is still a bit rambling. Can I work on it some more?
Do you want to use any of these quotes?
Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy writes:
Epicurus taught that the basic constituents of the world are atoms, uncuttable bits of matter, flying through empty space, and he tried to explain all natural phenomena in atomic terms. Epicurus rejected the existence of Platonic forms and an immaterial soul, and he said that the gods have no influence on our lives. Epicurus also thought skepticism was untenable, and that we could gain knowledge of the world relying upon the senses. He taught that the point of all one's actions was to attain pleasure (conceived of as tranquility) for oneself, and that this could be done by limiting one's desires and by banishing the fear of the gods and of death. Epicurus' gospel of freedom from fear proved to be quite popular, and communities of Epicureans flourished for centuries after his death.(...)The main point that Epicurus wants to establish is that the mind is something bodily. The mind must be a body, thinks Epicurus, because of its ability to interact with the body. The mind is affected by the body, as vision, drunkenness, and disease show. Likewise, the mind affects the body, as our ability to move our limbs when we want to and the physiological effects of emotional states show. Only bodies can interact with other bodies, so the mind must be a body. Epicurus says that the mind cannot be something incorporeal, as Plato thinks, since the only thing that is not a body is void, which is simply empty space and cannot act or be acted upon.
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03-08-2005 6:59 AM
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03-08-2005 2:33 AM

Re: Can we break it down a bit more?
"(note: for those who know Epicurean metaphysics, I am generalizing the whole of his theory, sticking only to the parts which still hold sway today, after years of scientific progress)"
That's something I said so that I wouldn't have to go in depth into his whole theory. However, I do think that I explained the important aspects in my original post. Maybe I just don't get what you mean by rambling, because it seems to me that most if not all of the post is necessary to my arguments. But if you find a few unnecessary things, by all means do edit them, just don't change the flow of reasoning. As to the quote, I was trying to explain the most applicable aspects of the theory in a way that the reader who knew nothing about Epicurus could understand, but the quote certainly wraps up most of Epicurean metaphysics and ethics in a box. I just tryied to explain certain aspects of it more.

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