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Author Topic:   We are trapped as humans and can only think like them
Trump won 
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Message 1 of 6 (185999)
02-16-2005 8:08 PM


Life, Death? feelings emotions we have. concepts such as love and hate. Try to think outside of a human. What if there are other creatures in another dimension that don't have these things. That can not be imagined in our mind. Even the thought of other creatures like they would have appearances is human. You can not think like something you are not. I've accepted this with frustration that a creator would put such restrictions on the human mind.

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Message 2 of 6 (186454)
02-18-2005 7:39 AM
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02-16-2005 8:08 PM


Imagination is only limited by Definition
porcelain writes:
Life, Death? feelings emotions we have. concepts such as love and hate. Try to think outside of a human. What if there are other creatures in another dimension that don't have these things. That can not be imagined in our mind. Even the thought of other creatures like they would have appearances is human. You can not think like something you are not. I've accepted this with frustration that a creator would put such restrictions on the human mind.
Hey, Chris! You starting to get bored with your homework, homie? Back at EvC I see....I guess that my take on what you say is that our imagination is limited by our definition. In other words, take a SciFi author, for example. They have described various types of characters and creatures within their books, yet the descriptions are all in sync with the vocabulary and expressive awareness of us...the readers. ET had hands, eyes, and fingers...as well as that "phooone hooome" voice. To describe something that is so totally unhuman as to be undefineable would be very hard to do, I will admit.
I've accepted this with frustration that a creator would put such restrictions on the human mind.
God has not stopped you from thinking about stuff like this, or you otherwise would not have even thought of this post. Lets say, for the sake of argument, that you were writing a book. The only way that your book would ever sell is if you limited your descriptions, definitions, concepts, and theories to a common denominator and definition akin to humanity.
Unless you planned that space aliens would be purchasing and reading this book of yours!
BTW how did Demian and those Eastern philosophy books turn out? We never heard back from you...

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Message 3 of 6 (186671)
02-19-2005 12:50 AM
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02-18-2005 7:39 AM


Re: Imagination is only limited by Definition
Yeah but as humans we can't comprehend something different fromb what we are.
I read demian, siddhartha and i started narcissus and goldmund.
I enjoyed Siddhartha much more than demian, though they both are well written. I think to understand Hermann Hesse you don't need to read more than one book.
I think what he was saying, reiterating revolutionaries of old should be listened to. I discovered that though people on this board may have a good grasp of the current sciences, they are not living healthy lives.
First of all they do not live a spiritual existence.
But most importantly I reread the demian thread and some that responded do not know the message of the Buddha. They do not know the message of the Christ, they absorb nothing from philosophical thought.
They believe the truth lies in the evidence, which it does, but it also lies in the philosophy.
I remember crashfrog said to fulfill your desires you must either fulfill them all or get rid of some.
But you can't fulfill all of your desires, It's not like you have a set limit of desires. The only way to truly live is to have no desire like every great thinker has echoed in some way.
Is it good to live an existence which cares of money. To choose a path which is directed by this fake value of life.
I think everyone knows the real answer to that.
It's not like i don't have desires though either. I don't think I have been living a healthy life as of lately. But I think that recognizing what is holding you from ultimate truth is needed in finding it.

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Message 4 of 6 (186673)
02-19-2005 12:56 AM
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Re: Imagination is only limited by Definition
When I reread that thread I noticed your post, I never read it, I don't know how I missed it but thanks for sharing that. I would've responded if I saw it.

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Message 5 of 6 (186890)
02-20-2005 3:42 AM
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02-19-2005 12:50 AM


Re: Imagination is only limited by Definition
Chris..here in Denver, the N.B.A. All Star game is in town, and everyone has suddenly become fazed by all of the wealthy people in town. Lots of younger people your age are cruising the downtown Malls and are hoping to catch a glimpse of some famous B-Baller.
The Jewelry stores are selling $200,000 watches..(or trying to)
For many young urban kids, an N.B.A. star represents the path and the hope and destiny in their lives. Next week, reality will set in and these same kids will become frustrated that they spent all their money and can't (re)earn it nearly quick enough. Fancy jerseys cost money! Image is important to many of todays youth.
How do the kids at your school define their goals,ambitions, and values? Is image important to them? The reason that I am asking is because I am guessing that few of them are as introspective and spiritually attuned as you are.
porcelain writes:
I don't think I have been living a healthy life as of lately. But I think that recognizing what is holding you from ultimate truth is needed in finding it.
I think that the main thing that keeps me from ultimate truth is myself. There was a preacher, Charles Stanley, who put it this way:
In Touch Ministries writes:
When we fail in our vocation or in our relationships, it is because we are not drawing on the inexhaustible well of supernatural power that is available within us. This truth became clear to me, thanks to a missionary named Bertha Smith. Ms. Smith had spent 40 years in China, and when I met her, she was already in her late 70s. I shared with her something I was struggling with, and I won't ever forget her reply.
She said, "Charles, you are as good as you'll ever be. And you're as good as you ever have been. You won't ever be any better than you are." How discouraging! I wanted to walk away right then. Then she said, "But the Holy Spirit who is living on the inside of you will enable you and He will do it for you. You can't improve your flesh."
And so it is. It is never a matter of trying so much as it is a matter of trusting.
Do you think that your generation will be in for a materialistic letdown in 20 years, or will they create more of a wealthy society
through technology? Can a U.S. kid coexist with the billion other young people around the world who want a chance at success?
We are indeed trapped as humans...for we are not gods. We are not aliens, and we are not dolphins. I would like to think of a better word than trapped, however!
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Message 6 of 6 (187104)
02-20-2005 10:28 PM
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02-20-2005 3:42 AM


Re: Imagination is only limited by Definition
You are right.
Perhaps deemed?

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