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Tanypteryx
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10-03-2015 3:04 PM


Sales of recreational marijuana started at medical dispensaries last Thursday.
Pot's legal in Oregon: Scenes from the first day of sales
A friend emailed me this morning and said the dispensary in Bend made $55,000 in sales the first day. I may visit the local dispensary here today and just see what it is like.
The Latest: Oregon pot shops see brisk sales on first day
Under the new law, cities and counties can vote to bar marijuana producers and retailers from operating there in some cases, until a local election can be held to decide the issue. According to the Oregon Liquor Control Commission, 24 cities and nine of the state's 36 counties have enacted bans.
I wonder if their bans will go away once they see tax revenues spike in the "Pot Counties"?
Prohibition never seems to be a good thing for society in the long run. Intoxicating drugs may not be the best thing people can imbibe in, but laws making it illegal have not stopped their use and have had a bunch of unintended negative consequences.
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Message 2 of 71 (770334)
10-03-2015 5:34 PM
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10-03-2015 3:04 PM


I just saw a facebook article (real trustworthy I know) that said that they ran the "first ever" test and found MJ did not impair driving.
Will be interesting to see the followup
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Message 3 of 71 (770338)
10-03-2015 6:32 PM
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10-03-2015 5:34 PM


I just saw a facebook article (real trustworthy I know) that said that they ran the "first ever" test and found MJ did not impair driving.
Sounds like something a toker would come up with.
I just ran across this which irritates the crap out of me....
Albany considers permanent ban on recreational marijuana

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10-03-2015 6:54 PM
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I just saw a facebook article (real trustworthy I know) that said that they ran the "first ever" test and found MJ did not impair driving.
Well, we know that's not true. Not if you're using the good stuff.

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Message 5 of 71 (770341)
10-03-2015 9:32 PM
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10-03-2015 6:54 PM


Well, we know that's not true. Not if you're using the good stuff.
That's when you drive at a safe 5 mph ...

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Message 6 of 71 (770343)
10-03-2015 9:44 PM
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10-03-2015 6:32 PM


Sounds like something a toker would come up with.
Yep, I am skeptical but this sheds a little more on it:
quote:

First of Its Kind Study Finds Virtually No Driving Impairment Under the Influence of Marijuana

When taken in moderate amounts, cannabis seems to cause no significant driving impairment.
The first study to analyze the effects of cannabis on driving performance found that it caused almost no impairment. The impairment that it did cause was similar to that observed under the influence of a legal alcohol limit.
Researchers at the University of Iowa’s National Advanced Driving Simulator carried out the study, sponsored by National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, National Institute of Drug Abuse, and the Office of National Drug Control Policy
"Once in the simulatora 1996 Malibu sedan mounted in a 24-feet diameter domethe drivers were assessed on weaving within the lane, how often the car left the lane, and the speed of the weaving. Drivers with only alcohol in their systems showed impairment in all three areas while those strictly under the influence of vaporized cannabis only demonstrated problems weaving within the lane.
Drivers with blood concentrations of 13.1 ug/L THC, or delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, the active ingredient in marijuana, showed increased weaving that was similar to those with a .08 breath alcohol concentration, the legal limit in most states. The legal limit for THC in Washington and Colorado is 5 ug/L, the same amount other states have considered.
As expected, there was impairment in all areas when alcohol and cannabis were mixed. But cannabis itself, when taken in moderate amounts, seems to cause no significant driving impairment.
So it's not that there is no effect just that moderate use is similar in effect to moderate alcohol use.
That would certainly help Medical Marijuana users be able to dose for their medical condition and not have to have a designated driver (especially if the use the non-psychotropic oils)
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10-03-2015 10:02 PM
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10-03-2015 9:32 PM


That's when you drive at a safe 5 mph ...
Oh, it's not the speed, 5 mph is plenty fast, it's the turns.
OK, I gotta turn right up there soon.
Fly me away to the bright side of...
Gotta turn to the right coming up.
... the moon, meet me on the other ...
Uh, I was supposed to turn right back there.
Ooo, ooo, dream weaver...
Where am I?
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10-03-2015 10:46 PM
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10-03-2015 10:02 PM


Funny sort of. But no wonder America is going under. If we do have enemies who want to take us over where's the resistance coming from?
Offer them a toke.
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Message 9 of 71 (770352)
10-04-2015 6:51 AM
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10-03-2015 10:46 PM


... If we do have enemies who want to take us over where's the resistance coming from?
resistance is futile you will be assimilated ...
Seriously though it's not going to come from gun-nuts. They don't know what's really going on and they'll sign up to be the brown shirt militias. Oh wait, they already are ...
Enjoy
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10-04-2015 6:55 AM
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Oh, it's not the speed, 5 mph is plenty fast, it's the turns.
You haven't really experienced that until you get in one of these new England traffic control things called a round-a-bout or circle ...
Uh, I was supposed to turn right back there.
I'll have to get it next time that it comes around
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Message 11 of 71 (770354)
10-04-2015 7:35 AM
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Protecting MaryJane
If we do have enemies who want to take us over where's the resistance coming from?
Oh, I'm not concerned about that. The military no longer requires my services. Besides, you christians are real good at bigoting your enemies to death so we can use that. In keeping with the messages on another thread you could even pray them into surrender. That always works, right?
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10-04-2015 8:37 AM
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10-03-2015 5:34 PM


I just saw a facebook article (real trustworthy I know) that said that they ran the "first ever" test and found MJ did not impair driving.
Classic fallacy of composition. Individuals are individual and react differently. I have seen people who were totally impaired from the slightest amount of cannabis and others who could perform the most complicated of tasks after using huge amounts. Any seasoned user is mostly just relaxed.
I can say that I would much rather try to drive my kids down the road after smoking 2 joints than try and drive them down the road while texting. I would much rather be on roads full of slightly relaxed people as opposed to people who are 5 mins late for work and stressing.
The vilification of the drug continues unabated with stereotypical characterizations reminiscent of refer madness. The reality of the situation is that millions of people around the world are suffering due to the lingering prohibition. Many others are exploiting that suffering to their own benefit. Prohibition is an industry worth billions.
We have laws prohibiting impaired driving. If the police can't tell if a driver is impaired by talking to them and doing a few roadside tests then I would say that the driver is not impaired. Using an single parameter from a chemical analysis to determine impairment is a ridiculously clumsy tool . Especially when that parameter is supported with the thinnest of 'evidence'.

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Message 13 of 71 (770362)
10-04-2015 9:49 AM
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Individuals are individual and react differently. I have seen people who were totally impaired from the slightest amount of cannabis and others who could perform the most complicated of tasks after using huge amounts. Any seasoned user is mostly just relaxed.
I can say that I would much rather try to drive my kids down the road after smoking 2 joints than try and drive them down the road while texting. I would much rather be on roads full of slightly relaxed people as opposed to people who are 5 mins late for work and stressing.
Indeed, reaction is faster from relaxed than from tense, but you also need alert.
We have laws prohibiting impaired driving. If the police can't tell if a driver is impaired by talking to them and doing a few roadside tests then I would say that the driver is not impaired. Using an single parameter from a chemical analysis to determine impairment is a ridiculously clumsy tool .
And you can be impaired from shear exhaustion, even when loaded up on caffeine. Been there.
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10-04-2015 3:33 PM
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10-03-2015 6:54 PM


AZPaul3 writes:
I just saw a facebook article (real trustworthy I know) that said that they ran the "first ever" test and found MJ did not impair driving.
Well, we know that's not true. Not if you're using the good stuff.
Folks vaping the Grandpa Purple or Critical Mass are the safest drivers of all.
They can't walk to the car.
I expect the test subjects, if they can be called that, experienced a contextual repressive effect, their mellow thoroughly harshed by the sort of non-participating observers who have ruined a good time since Gilgamesh and barley beer. Once they drove away, however, the giggles and the lane-waves began.
I actually found I could drive well on heavy psychedelics--as long as I pretended I was flying, which incorporated the sensation of swooping, things went swimmingly Indeed, most of the drug effect would recede while I flew and return when I landed. I never had a problem. People still talk about those drives...
...
What was the question?

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10-04-2015 3:36 PM
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RAZD writes:
I'll have to get it next time that it comes around
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Don't forget: "If you wanna end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud."

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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