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Author Topic:   Historical science(?): Siccar Point - A study of an angular unconformity
Faith 
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Message 1 of 7 (730386)
06-27-2014 8:22 PM


Faith comment: Hey Moose: I didn't know it was possible for an admin to post in a member's name like this, kind of unnerving frankly.
I'm not sure I'm ready for this thread right now either. Siccar Point was just one of the examples that came to mind to illustrate Historical Science, and I'm not sure there's much more to say about it. I was hoping others would have opinions about the steps of scientific method I just threw out. Instead they just made blanket condemnations of the whole idea.
Anyway right now I don't feel up to this. I'd like to just put it on hold for a while if that's all right with you.
I'll take this comment down if I get back to trying to make something of this thread proposal./Faith comment
Following posted by Moose from earlier thread:
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HISTORICAL SCIENCE:
Siccar Point:
Hypothesis: took millions of years to form.
Observation: vertical and horizontal sections of strata.
Reasoning/Assumption: upper horizontal section was laid down after lower vertical section was tilted.
Evidence: None
Replication or testing: Nothing to replicate or test. Other angular unconformities subjected to the same reasoning, also based on no evidence. It's all theory, no proof.
(All this was already treated as fact before radiometric dating came along and that too is unprovable.)
Siccar Point was interpreted by one man looking at it and arriving at his conclusion. He argued others into accepting his conclusion. That's all there was to it.
{Note: 2nd paragraph added from message 127, from the same source topic as the previous material. - Adminnemooseus}
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Change topic title.
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Remove non-Siccar Point material from message. Modify topic title (add "Historical science(?):" to what I previously changed the title to. Added 2nd paragraph as commented on in red.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 2 of 7 (730387)
06-27-2014 8:28 PM


Topic is from a message in another topic
Content comes from here.
I, and presumably Faith also, are going to do editing on message 1 before it's released to open debate. Until I get to doing my editing later tonight, this topic will be closed.
Adminnemooseus

Or something like that.

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Message 3 of 7 (730388)
06-27-2014 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Adminnemooseus
06-27-2014 8:28 PM


PNT reopened, waiting for further input from Faith
As noted upthread, I've pulled the message 1 content from elsewhere.
I now invite and encourage Faith to do a little further elaboration on message 1, as a new message in this topic.
Adminnemooseus

Or something like that.

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Message 4 of 7 (730389)
06-27-2014 10:04 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Adminnemooseus
06-27-2014 8:50 PM


Re: PNT reopened, waiting for further input from Faith
I added a comment to the opening post.

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Message 5 of 7 (730393)
06-27-2014 10:40 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Faith
06-27-2014 10:04 PM


PNT on hold for now
We shall see if Faith wishes to pursue it later.
Faith, from her addition by edit to message 1:
Faith comment: Hey Moose: I didn't know it was possible for an admin to post in a member's name like this, kind of unnerving frankly.
It is only because I used an admin only tool to turn one of your messages into a new topic. Certainly, such a power could be abused, but when doing such I make a point of documenting what had happened. An alternative method would have been to copy/paste your material into a new topic that would be attributed to Minnemooseus or Adminnemooseus.
It's your choice, if the topic is to be released or not. I'm pretty sure you've much gotten into the Siccar Point thing in earlier evcforum.net topic(s), and I know you've posted a quite a bit on it at one of your blogs. But if this topics title theme is to be debated, it really deserves its own topic rather that being were I pulled the material from.
Adminnemooseus

Or something like that.

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Message 6 of 7 (730451)
06-28-2014 8:13 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Faith
06-27-2014 8:22 PM


Faith writes:
Faith comment: Hey Moose: I didn't know it was possible for an admin to post in a member's name like this, kind of unnerving frankly.
Moose used an admin feature that takes a member's post and uses it to begin a new thread. This capability exists in most board software. vBulletin even has the ability to begin a new thread with a range of posts from an existing thread.
Now that Message 1 has been edited three times it's difficult to tell the original text from text added later. And near the bottom Moose refers to the "2nd paragraph" of the message, but that paragraph is no longer 2nd.
So given the confusion and your reluctance I guess I'd suggest deleting this thread and starting over at a time that is better for you.

--Percy
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Message 7 of 7 (730452)
06-28-2014 8:15 AM
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06-28-2014 8:13 AM


I know which part is mine and which part is Moose's and if I get back to this I'll edit out my part that doesn't contribute to the topic so I think it should be OK to leave it as is for now.

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