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Percy
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Message 1 of 6 (459378)
03-06-2008 4:38 PM


This news just in: The US government has decided to pay damages to the parents of a child whose autism they claimed was caused by vaccines. See the details: Autism payout reignites vaccine controversy
--Percy

  
Rahvin
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Message 2 of 6 (459379)
03-06-2008 5:45 PM


From the article:
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Significantly, the government's decision says nothing about whether vaccines cause autism. Instead, government lawyers concluded only that vaccines aggravated a pre-existing cellular disorder in the child, causing brain damage that included features of autism. Nonetheless, anti-vaccination campaigners are claiming vindication. "It's official," wrote one autism blogger. "The sky has fallen. The fat lady has sung. Pigs are flying."
The government's position is that the vaccines aggrivated a seperate, already existing condition, and the results included symptoms akin to autism. This is not the same as saying "autism is casued by vaccines."
That's not what the "holistic-medicine" idiot crowd is going to say, though - regardless of any scientific inquiry, this will be used in arguments to say "see, even the government admits vaccines casue autism!" when the government is saying nothing of the sort here. It's identical to when Creationists hear "humans evolved from an apelike common ancestor" an start saying "see, evolutionist beleive chimpanzees up and turned into men!"
I once knew a girl who developed epilepsy as a child. The epilepsy was the result of brain damage caused by an extremely high fever, which was brought on by an infected cat scratch. Does this mean that cat scratches cause epilepsy? Of course not! And it's identical to what happened here - the vaccines caused this girl's metabolism to respond irregularly due to a genetic mitochondial disorder, which in turn casued brain damage that caused symptoms akin to autism.
People who either don't know the difference or fail to investigate this for five minutes are going to continue to spout their idiotic "vaccines cause teh autism, vaccines r bad!" stupidity, and believe that this court case somehow contitutes evidence in their favor.

  
Taz
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Message 3 of 6 (599628)
01-09-2011 2:04 PM


Study linking vaccines and autism outright fraud
I've been waiting for someone to say something about this. But it's been days and nothing from you guys?
Science is a self-correcting process. Researchers around the world have for years been saying they couldn't duplicate the original study that supposedly found a link between autism and vaccines. But despite this, parents around the world continue to believe there's a connection. Well, the new founding that shows an outright fraud involved with that 1998 study is, IMHO, the final nail in the coffin. Hopefully, we can lay this issue to rest.
PS - Some children have died and others maimed by these very preventable diseases.

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anglagard
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Message 4 of 6 (599648)
01-09-2011 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Taz
01-09-2011 2:04 PM


Re: Study linking vaccines and autism outright fraud
Taz writes:
I've been waiting for someone to say something about this. But it's been days and nothing from you guys?
I am a college dean, can't always breathlessly await the great wisdom provided by some impatient posters.
I saw a pro vaccine website about a year ago that had a needless death counter at the bottom. Forgot the website but remember the count - 432. Hope that Playboy model poser is proud of herself for all that manslaughter.

The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes.
Salman Rushdie
This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen

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Taz
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Message 5 of 6 (599676)
01-09-2011 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by anglagard
01-09-2011 4:10 PM


Re: Study linking vaccines and autism outright fraud
I also blame all the ignorant parents out there who, despite evidence to the contrary, continue to believe in the lie. It's like a virus. Hard to get rid of once it's found a host.

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Taq
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Message 6 of 6 (599795)
01-10-2011 4:16 PM


At some point back in 2008 the government accountants and lawyers did the following calculus. How much is it going to cost us to take this to court compared to the money we can dole out now. On top of that, if the government loses how much liability are they opening themselves up to? In a liability case like this one you only need the majority of the jury to be on your side, and it is very possible that the plaintiffs could have pulled on the old heart strings to get that majority.
Say what you will about the cold, heartless world of science, but it does have it's positives. The pseudo-link between vaccines and autism and it's eventual refutation is a perfect example.

  
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