Is anyone else fed up with Muslims complaining all the time?

Is anyone else becoming a little bit fed up with either opening a newspaper or turning on the radio to find Muslims moaning about something?Almost every day we are hearing something else that they aren’t happy with. Cartoons of Muhammad, and now the misunderstanding of the Popes speech are just a couple of examples.But, they do not just complain, they riot in the streets and now they fire bomb churches because of the pope’s speech?Why can’t they complain in a reasonable way and ask the Pope to explain the context of his speech?Why do they think that violence is the answer to everything?Let’s be honest here, if Christians, or any other religious group were planning to take bombs aboard planes in a predominantly Muslim country their authorities wouldn’t be as lenient as the British general public. You can guarantee that every Christian would be attacked and not just the ones involved in the hypothetical scenario.No, I for one am becoming pissed off with the reaction of Muslims throughout the world, they claim to be a peaceful religion, yet what is the first thing they do when they think they see something controversial about their faith? Is it to discuss what they find offensive? No, it is immediately to riot and threaten others.Muslims quietly discuss the pope’s speech. Even the children become involved. Could we please speak to the pope so he can explain the context of his speech to us? We have a very peaceful faith. We are so peaceful that you do not need to protect your churches. Religion has spoiled our planet.Religion has wasted our lives.Because of religion no one is safe.Religion will bring about the premature death of our planet.Religious types are all as bad as each other, but, just lately I am becoming a bit sick of Muslims complaining about everything.These Muslims need to get a life and realise that what a dopey old guy in a dress says makes no difference to their lives.Brian.

Because so far, it has been. When newspapers cravenly refused to print the controversial cartoons, or do anything else that might offend Muslims, they gave a clear message that violence is an effective tool for the Muslim world to get what they want.People need to understand that they have no right not to have their religion disagreed with. Unless they lived in America. You have no idea what Christians can get away with here.

I dunno. Ghandi's ahimsa achieved a lot as did MLK's non violent protests. Yes, we are more reserved here.But some American Christians are not exactly wired up right. Even here at EvC we see examples of them.But, I am just becoming bored with their complaining and the way they go about it.If someone said they hated the Scots for some reason it really wouldn't bother me, I certainly wouldn't be screaming about in the streets about it.The thing is, it is the people who do not follow a God that are caught up in all the bull.Brian.

From the reports I see from America - and about some Christians here - I don't think that Christians whine less. They're just less violent about it. Now. There were certainly times when Christians were violent and destructive .So personally I think it is less to do with the religions and much more to do with the societies.

Did they? Given the level of violence occuring in the background of both of those situations, to my mind it's impossible to say that their non-violent actions had such an effect.

It is a little tiresome.Still, after several years of armies from Christian nations causing mayhem in Iraq, it is understandable that the muslims are a little peeved.

[devil's advocate]I wonder, though, if we can think of any reason that muslims, particularly in the middle east, might lately feel that their religion is under attack? [/devil's advocate]

pope: "muslims are violent."*muslims burn things down as to show that they're not*good job, islam.

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Are YOU complaining ?
There is one solution that many people use these days: Bury your head in the (desrt) sand.

Actually, a very brief glance at this issue (okay, just looked at the Wikipedia article, the amount of actual violence has been rather minimal and has mainly occurred where the society is already in a state of war (Iraq, Palestine, and Somalia). It seems that most of the "violence" has confined to demonstrations -- which would appear to me to be a reasonable way to express one's indignation. At least the events so far don't seem to be particularly unique to Muslims.Anyone else have more comprehensive statistics on the level of violence?

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"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." -- George Bernard Shaw

But you malign all religion just because some religion is false. One could say the same thing about science or perhaps ideology and certainly secularism. Anything can be abused and misused.But you are right on the main point. The continual Muslim reaction of outrage at percieved and real slights needs to be condemned. It was the Muslims who originally separated people into groups, calling the non-Muslims by a specific name, and denigrating them.Take the Jews, a very persecuted group, and a group whom many Muslims in the ME seem to despise. Did they simply protest and demand respect from the rest of humanity?They earned the respect of humanity. The simple fact is Jewish scientists, businessmen and entertainers have earned the respect of humanity by their knowledge and skill. It seems that within Islam, the radical portion of the community there demands respect of humanity and is outraged when they do not receive it, but don't seem willing to work for advances for mankind outside of their faith. Maybe working to earn respect rather than demand it would serve Islam and the Muslim community a little better.Edited by randman, : No reason given.

Are you serious? First off, it's sort of interesting that you claim Britain and the USA are "Christian nations"? If that's the case, then why object to teaching the Bible in schools? Or at least "teaching the controversy"?Seems in some respects the USA and Britain are decidedly non-Christian, at least by the standards of this forum.Or maybe you are saying being a Christian nation means a nation that allows all religions?Also, what is understandable about the Muslim reaction? You mean they have an insane dictator that cruelly tortures his people and is removed from power, and they should be "peeved" about that?

They are perceived as Christian nations by the muslims. And that's all that counts here. Are you describing Bush?

what! you're kidding right? muslims ain't the first to do this--in fact, christians were calling pantheic (or is paganistic the term?) religions heathens and pagan, a distinct group from christians, well before muslims were around. Hell, we were separating in Us, Them defintions even before civilization--this is our group, they are not us. What's not specific about egyptian, jew, babylonian, assyrian, hittite, roman, etruscan, phonecian, greek, indian, barbarian, (whatever the ancient Sudanese are called?), persians. Granted, those are our translations of what these people called themselves and how they were recognized by others, but still, distinct groups, with the whole Us, Them complex.Actually, I'd say all religion is false--how can they all be true? If one is true, what is it that makes it true--that you say it is?.

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You know, algebra has formed the basis for every mathematical/computational advance in the past several hundred years. Look at that word, "algebra." Just by the sound of the word where do you think that's from? For that mater, why do you think they're called "arabic" numerals?It's hilarious when people indict the Muslim religion for "not contributing anything", and then looking up at the stars and calling them by the same names given them by Islam's astronomers centuries ago.Here's what I think happened, Randman. You heard someone say that "Muslims gave us zero", and you took that to mean that they hadn't ever invented anything. What you failed to understand was that they were telling you that the concept of zero - a digit that expresses the lack of something - originated in the Muslim world. But, hey. Never mind that you wouldn't even have computers without the contributions of Muslim scholars. I'm sure you'll figure out how to give Christians the credit for all that stuff. (Though how you'll get modern computer technology without mentioning the Christian persecution of Alan Turing, I have no idea.)