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Nasa
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Message 1 of 55 (125126)
07-16-2004 9:01 PM


Some quotes on the theory of: Rocks + Water divided by Time * Violent events = (creating) complex life:
It is choking us and holding us back ... Every single concept advanced by the theory of evolution (and amended thereafter) is imaginary as it is not supported by the scientifically established probability concepts. Darwin was wrong... The theory of evolution may be the worst mistake made in science."
-(I.L.Cohen, mathematician & Researcher, Member of the New York Academy of Sciences and Officer of the Archaeological Institute of America, Darwin Was Wrong - A Study in Probabilities, PO Box 231, Greenvale, New York 11548: New Research Publications, Inc. pp 6-8, 209-210, 214-215..)
Life cannot have had a random beginning ? The trouble is that there are about two thousand enzymes, and the chance of obtaining them all in a random trial is only one part in 10-40,000, an outrageously small probability that could not be faced even if the whole universe consisted of organic soup.
. . .
The likelihood of the formation of life from inanimate matter is one to a number with 40,000 zeros after, it is big enough to bury Darwin and the whole theory of Evolution."
-Fred Hoyle & N. Chandra Wickramasinghe, Astronomers, Mathemeticians & Cosmologists, University College Cardiff, Evolution from Space, J. M. Dent & Sons 1981, and in The Omni Lecture, :And Other Papers on the Origin of Life, Enslow Publishers 1982, p. 27-28)
The brain, from being an instrument fit for anthropoids, passed on to a state in which the range of feeling, understanding, and of manipulative skill, became fit for men. To ask me to believe that the evolution of man has been determined by a series of chance events is to invite me to give credit to what is biologically unbelievable."
-(Keith, Sir Arthur. [British anthropologist and leading Darwinist], "Replies to Critics," in "Essays on Human Evolution," [1946], Watts & Co: London, Third Impression, 1947, p.217)
Evolutionism is a fairy tale for grown-ups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless.
-Prof. Louis Bounoure, Former President of the Biological Society of Strasbourg and Director of the Strasbourg Zoological Museum, later Director of Research at the French National Centre of Scientific Research, as quoted in The Avocate, March 1984, p. 17
By adulthood the brain is crisscrossed with more than 100 billion neurons, each reaching out to thousands of others so that, all told, the brain has more than 100 trillion connections. It is those connections -- more than the number of galaxies in the known universe -- that give the brain its unrivaled powers. The traditional view was that the wiring diagram is predetermined, like one for a new house, by the genes in the fertilized egg. Unfortunately, even though half the genes -- 50,000 -- are involved in the central nervous system in some way, there are not enough of them to specify the brains incomparably complex wiring. >>>
-Bagley, Sharon, Your Child's Brain (Newsweek, Feb. 19, 1996).
>>> "The implications are immediate for the issue of evolution. The evolutionary assumption that the exceedingly complex linguistic structures which comprise the construction blueprints and operating manuals for all the complicated chemical nanomachinery and sophisticated feedback control mechanisms in even the simplest living organism simply must have a materialistic explanation is fundamentally wrong.
-Baumgardner, John. Geophysicist at Los Alamos National Labs. From "Highlights of the Los Alamos Origins Debate."
It is the evolution of science and understanding that is pulling from all directions, the Theory of Evolution to its supposed particle beginnings. It is the evolution of knowledge that is making us re-evolve the theory of origin. So beware for it will come, understand and don't repeat the mistakes of earlier generations, for the danger that is- is the Devil himself calling himself, again, our creator.
When one examines the vast number of possible structures that could result from a simple random combination of amino acids in an evaporating primordial pond, it is mind-boggling to believe that life could have originated in this way. It is more plausible that a Great Builder with a master plan would be required for such a task.
-Perry Reeves, a professor of chemistry.
The theory of evolution is not only a lie, it is a believed and loved misconception, a lie given to man by the author of all believed lies. The people who believe in the theory of matter assembling itself, believe the liar. They will soon, as science discovers God, become as easy to recognize in their ploy, as the society of people who still believe the Earth is flat. Just like their Fathering author, ignorant, or as the phrase goes, like Father like Son.
First, genuine mutations are very rare in nature. Secondly, most mutations are harmful since they are random, rather than orderly changes in the structure of genes;any random change in a highy ordered system will be for the worse, not for the better. For example, if an earthquake were to shake a highly ordered structure such as a building, there would be a random change in the framework of the building, which, in all probability, would not be an improvement.
-Biologist B. G. Ranganathan.
To take a line of fossils and claim that they represent a lineage is not a scientific hypothesis that can be tested, but an assertion that carries the same validity as a bedtime story-amusing, perhaps even instructive, but not scientific.
-Henry Gee.
There is no known natural law through which matter can give rise to information, neither is any physical process or material phenomenon known that can do this.
Gitt, Werner. 1997. In the Begining Was Information.
All point mutations that have been studied on the molecular level turn out to reduce the genetic information and not to increase it.
Not by Chance. p.138
The complex structure of the cell, defies evolutionary explanation:
To grasp the reality of life as it has been revealed by molecular biology, we must magnify a cell a thousand million times until it is twenty kilometers in diameter and resembles a giant airship large enough to cover a great city like London or New York. What we would then see would be an object of unparalleled complexity and adaptive design. On the surface of the cell we would see millions of openings, like the port holes of a vast space ship, opening and closing to allow a continual stream of materials to flow in and out. If we were to enter one of these openings we would find ourselves in a world of supreme technology and bewildering complexity... Is it really credible that random processes could have constructed a reality, the smallest element of which-a functional protein or gene-is complex beyond our own creative capacities, a reality which is the very antithesis of chance, which excels in every sense, anything produced by the intelligence of man?
A Theory in Crisis, the molecular biologist Michael Denton.
The logical position one must take in the light of new scientific discovery, regarding the origin of life, is the position that we are created by means of intelligent intent.
The next logical step, before asking why, is to ask, what type of intelligent intent?
The answer I give, is to ask the heavens themselves from the heart which "it" gave you.
The answer I was given, was hanging from a cross, in the reason for my imperfections, so to be reconciled with perfection, now and forever in an eternal place beyond my comprehension.
It may now not be so implausible to say, that just like the caterpillar, we have within us a winged creature of incomprehensible beauty and value, in the form of an undiscovered energy, that is the system or driving force of our brain, that will in the cocoon of death, -of the first form, enter into an eternal dimension, carrying with it the colors or growth of its first life. I would not want to enter in with black wings! Can we see what form are wings take, or were they will take us in death? The wings on the cross did.
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SRO2 
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Message 2 of 55 (125128)
07-16-2004 9:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Nasa
07-16-2004 9:01 PM


Troll
I know one thing. You don't work for NASA.

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NosyNed
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Message 3 of 55 (125135)
07-16-2004 9:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Nasa
07-16-2004 9:01 PM


Amazing
You're post is just chock full of information. We can learn a lot from it.
Why don't you take the individual parts to the none coffee house fora that are meant to cover the topics involved.
What I've learned from it is that you don't have a clue about what you have posted. You have been fed and believed a pack of lies.
I don't see why anyone should respond in the coffee house (For you Rocket!). If you really think you can defend this stuff then sort it out in correct fora. Thanks.

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Nasa
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Message 4 of 55 (125137)
07-16-2004 9:37 PM


Orr come on, you dont even know me Ned, who am I?
To simulate 10 milliseconds of the complete processing of even a single nerve cell from the retina would require the solution of about 500 simulteneous non-linear differential equations one hundred times and would take at least several minutes of processing time on a Cary super computer. Keeping in mind that there are 10 million or more such cells interacting with each other in this complex way, it would take a minimum of a hundred years of Cary time to simulate what takes place in your eye many times every second.
John K Stevens, Byte April 1985, p287-299.
Evolution by chance? Evolution even fails to explain the existence of chance, but by a, "chance" explosion.
Nedy Im having a coffee.
I love science.
Lets chat Ned. Pick a topic!
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Yaro
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Message 5 of 55 (125141)
07-16-2004 9:58 PM


Fertilization in the Womb is a Lie!
According to the theory of fertilization we are born from embryos created due to the fertilization of the egg with one single sperm!!!! Only problem is the probability that one particular sperm will fertelize one particular egg are astronomical!!!!!!!
A woman mensturates once a month, and only for a window of a few weeks is she abble to become pregnant, after that the egg is flushed from the body. Sperm reside in the testeess for as little as 3 days, thats 3 DAYS!!!!!!! Before being reabsorbed into the body!!!!!!!!
To make matters worse there are millions, nay, billions of them!!!!!!!! The male on avarge ejaculats 5 or six times when copulating. Thats about 6 million sperm per ejaculation which totals to 36 million sperm!!!!!! The chances of one particular sperm uniting with the egg are astronomical!!!!!!! There are too many variables!!!! Not to mention the fact that uniting it with one particular egg compounds the improbability of the event!!!!!!
It would be a number with gagillions of zeros behind it!!!! It such a big number!!!! You should be sooooo impressed, its even got a decimal point!
God is great!
QED
P.s. Arguments from disbelife don't work. Improbable things happen all the time. The universe itself is improbable.
Given enugh time, and enugh space, things will happen.

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NosyNed
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Message 6 of 55 (125146)
07-16-2004 10:09 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Nasa
07-16-2004 9:37 PM


Topic?
Well, let me guess that you are a YEC (young earth creationist). In that case you can go to Dates and Dating and add to the "Corrolations" thread. No one has handled that one yet.
If you're happy with the dating but think the flood happened then you can explain fossil sorting.
Otherwise you can explain the relationship between stratographic ordering and DNA.
If you want to play the probability card you can take that post as an OP. It could go in "Origin of Life" or "Biological Evolution" when you clarify just what point you are making.
If you're not very good at statistics I suggest you skip that one. There is at least on PhD mathematician here.
I suggest you pick the topic and pick one you are most comfortable with. If I pick it might be a bit unfair.
But not in the Coffee house. You will have to go to the real fora.
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Nasa
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Message 7 of 55 (125148)
07-16-2004 10:13 PM


Hang on a minute, slow down.
First: "Given enugh time, and enugh space, things will happen."
The only thing that happens is decay.
Explain to me what you are tring to put across......

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Nasa
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Message 8 of 55 (125151)
07-16-2004 10:17 PM


What about Artificial Procreation?

Nasa
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Message 9 of 55 (125152)
07-16-2004 10:20 PM


Ned were having a coffee ok!

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NosyNed
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Message 10 of 55 (125153)
07-16-2004 10:22 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Nasa
07-16-2004 10:20 PM


Nope
If you wish to have a real discussion then it has to be organized. Otherwise it goes all over the place.

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Rand Al'Thor
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Message 11 of 55 (125154)
07-16-2004 10:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Nasa
07-16-2004 9:01 PM


Dude, why did you post it in the Coffee House. We have the different fourms for a reason, maybe one of the Admins will move it.
BTW The Theroy of Evoultion has absolutly nothing to do with the begining of life.

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Nasa
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Message 12 of 55 (125156)
07-16-2004 10:26 PM


Thats fine, lets stay here, pick your topic as I said.

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Nasa
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Message 13 of 55 (125158)
07-16-2004 10:29 PM


Hang on, First Im not a Dude, and secondly I just posted some quotes to browse so to say with your coffee.
Just some interesting points, thats all.

Yaro
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Message 14 of 55 (125161)
07-16-2004 10:30 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Nasa
07-16-2004 10:13 PM


The only thing that happens is decay.
Really? Did you decay in the womb?
Where on earth did you get this idea?
Explain to me what you are tring to put across......
I am saying that you don't know the difference between improbable and impossible, they don't mean the same thing. No one is arguing that life is an unlikely event, the numbers are huge. But guess what?
Stretch the time out long enugh, and tons of unlikely stuff starts happening. People eventually win the Lotto, and sperm do eventually fertelize eggs despite the improbability of the events.
So your argument is a non-argument.
Just cuz the numbers are big, dosn't mean it didn't happen.

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Message 15 of 55 (125162)
07-16-2004 10:31 PM
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07-16-2004 10:30 PM


a suggestion Yaro
I suggest these topics are not coffee house topics. You will need some moderation to keep this on track.

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