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Author | Topic: JW Bible. What do scholars say? Is it respected, or scriptural OK or accurate? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1271 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
Ok, yes we know the Jehovah Witnesses scripture is written to support their beliefs.
Example: On the cross when Jesus tells the one thief he will be in paradise a catholic/protest, American, kjv, niv and the other translations all say this:
quote: But the Jw's version, (I forget the actual name of it) says this:
quote: Notice the difference?A comma can change the dogma Now I have actually heard, from the Jw's I had a bible study with that their translation has been highly esteemed and has had great acclaim for it from actual scholars and scripture readers, writers, the guys that come up with the new translations etc. Is this actually true? Does anyone know if their bible is a credible one? Please don't respond from your beliefs of what your christianity says. I want to know if the Jw's are warranted to use their translation. Basically, is it a good translation or one that is shady, that has tampered with the actual scripture. I care about the moral issues of the JW's, I know them. I have studied with some of them and studied their faith. Though if someone would like to start a thread on what you've think they've done or do I would be extremely interested.It isn't good manners to do one whole JW thread, too many topics. I will appreciate all replies. -Chris Porteus
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AdminPhat Inactive Member |
The JW Bible is called the New World Translation. When you ask what scolars think, you have to be more specific. JW scholars are quite happy with their translation. Orthodox Christian scholars are not as happy with it. Perhaps your topic could focus more on either JW scholars or more on Protestant scholars or even more on Catholic scholars....all of whom have some good arguments akin to their beliefs. Personally, I do not agree with JW theology entirely, but I will give them credit for being able to back up their theology using their interpretations of scripture! Which way do you want to go with this one, Chris? Other Mods...a little input also?
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1271 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
Social and religious issues, maybe.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1375 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
the greek word order is "and he said to him, truly i say to you, today with me you will be in paradise."
anyone have a good knowledge of greek grammar? i suspect that if it were to be rendered with the comma after "today," "today" would have been in the place of "truly."
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Goethe writes: In the first part of his poem Faust the German poet Goethe gives us a scene full of irony, as Faust sits down to translate a passage of the New Testament. Our spirits yearn toward revelationThat nowhere glows more fair, more excellent, Than here in the New Testament. To open the fundamental text I'm moved, With honest feeling, once for all, To turn the sacred, blest original Into my German well-beloved. He opens a volume and applies himself to it. 'Tis written: "In the beginning was the Word!" Here now I'm balked! Who'll put me in accord? It is impossible, the Word so high to prize, I must translate it otherwise If I am rightly by the Spirit taught. 'Tis written: In the beginning was the Thought! Consider well that line, the first you see, That your pen may not write too hastily! Is it then Thought that works, creative, hour by hour? Thus should it stand: In the beginning was the Power! Yet even while I write this word, I falter, For something warns me, this too I shall alter. The Spirit's helping me! I see now what I need And write assured: In the beginning was the Deed! Is the meaning...the intent...found through the mind of logic or the Heart of a changed individual???
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1271 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
You think that's dishonest to do since they elieve immediate nirvana doesn't happen?
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1375 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
You think that's dishonest to do since they elieve immediate nirvana doesn't happen? not sure. depends on the greek grammar, really. (even without a belief in immediately going to heaven on death, it's possible that christ was making an exception. so i suspect the answer is probably "yes.")
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1271 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
I wish doctrbill was around.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1375 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
quite
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Is the location of the Kingdom one of the friction points? JWs say it will be on Earth and other Christians say it will be in heaven?
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1375 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
i think that might be it. although christians to TEND to believe that there will be a kingdom of "heaven on earth" after the end-times.
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wmscott Member (Idle past 6278 days) Posts: 580 From: Sussex, WI USA Joined: |
Dear Chris Porteus;
First. here is a link to the New World Translation on the web. Check it out, look up some verses and compare it to other Bibles.http://www.watchtower.org/bible/index.htm here is a link to an general article on some of the advantages of the NWT's renderings over other Bible translations. Advantages of the New World Translation Advantages of the New World Translation: This issue was raised recently in another thread and here is what I responded with.
I think creating your own Bible or version/translation to support your doctrinal views is not the way to go.
That seems to be a common misconception about the New World Translation, but it is a very accurate translation and I have found it to be extremely reliable in it's renderings. Here are a couple of links to sites which rate the NWT very highly. The first uses Colwell's Rule of Bible Translations of using 64 different test verses to determine accuracy in a translation of the New Testament. hector3000.future.easyspace.com is no longer available "What Is The Best New Testament" .Here is a link where the NWT is ranked the highest out of 21 commonly used Bible translations. hector3000.future.easyspace.com is no longer available As the links show, the NWT is one of the best Bible translations available today. As for creating a altered translation to support nonbiblical doctrines, that would be foolish in the extreme, what would be the point? All people would have to do is to point out the alterations, and we wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Now when you consider how many people oppose us and say bad things about us, why are they so vague on the claim of us having an altered Bible? Simply because the NWT is faithful to the original language text and a good case can be made for the wording used in the NWT and frequently another translation will use the same word or phrase in question. Now changing the Bible to try to fit your doctrine is of course pointless, what Jehovah's Witnesses have done is to change their doctrine to fit the Bible. If we see a difference, we change what we believe to better conform with God's Word, which is why you hear the old complaint about us changing our beliefs all the time. But which is it better to do, to change what you believe to better fit what the Bible teaches, or to keep a doctrine that you know conflicts with the Bible? In a way, we cheat, instead of trying to defend a traditional doctrinal position that has some problems, we have simply moved to the best position that we know of, which is why we always have the high ground in a biblical discussion. We jettisoned all the old doctrines that have scriptural problems from their being based more on the word of man than the Word of God. Sincerely Yours; Wm Scott Anderson
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1375 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
First. here is a link to the New World Translation on the web. Check it out, look up some verses and compare it to other Bibles. that's what he did in the op, scotty. how do you justify the change in the comma placement?
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1271 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
Here's another for wmscott:
John 1:1 New world translation: 1 In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. Others: In the beginning the Was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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