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lar
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Message 1 of 71 (132727)
08-11-2004 9:36 AM


In recent discussion with a friend, a question arouse.
The Question: What was so fantastic about the story Jonah and the whale?
Any thoughts?
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Message 2 of 71 (132764)
08-11-2004 11:27 AM


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Brian
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Message 3 of 71 (132768)
08-11-2004 11:38 AM
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08-11-2004 9:36 AM


Hope your friend isn't called DeMeyer!
Hi Lar,
We had a discussion HERE about Jonah and his 'whale' it may answer some of your questions.
Take some headache tabs BEFORE you read Demeyer's stuff
Brian.

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kam1953f
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Message 4 of 71 (133750)
08-13-2004 10:17 PM
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08-11-2004 11:38 AM


The story of Jonah is clearly a fable. Nineveh never converted; there's just no evidence of that. The moral of the story is that God's will is immutable, and Jonah shouldn't have fought what God told him to do.
No biggie. Except to people who have to believe literally in every word of the Bible.

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Brian
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Message 5 of 71 (133798)
08-14-2004 4:56 AM
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08-13-2004 10:17 PM


Hi Kam
Hi,
The story is a great piece of literature, but the events in it really didnt happen. You are correct it is a didactic tale.
I am amazed that people go to such crazy lengths to squeeze someone inside a dead shark or a dead whale, you wouldn't believe some of the mental gymnastics that some people go through to try and make Jonah's adventure an actual historical event.
brian.

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Michael_Willis
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Message 6 of 71 (134210)
08-15-2004 11:41 PM
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08-13-2004 10:17 PM


Hey, Kam. I agree with you (except for the existence of god, of course). ;-)
Just wanted to say hi. Finally had some time to get me feet wet in this message board.

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kam1953f
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Message 7 of 71 (134238)
08-16-2004 2:07 AM
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08-14-2004 4:56 AM


Re: Hi Kam
"I am amazed that people go to such crazy lengths to squeeze someone inside a dead shark or a dead whale, you wouldn't believe some of the mental gymnastics that some people go through to try and make Jonah's adventure an actual historical event"
I wouldn't believe? I've been on the bulletin boards for about 6 years now and I have seen mental gymnastics that boggle my mind!

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kam1953f
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Message 8 of 71 (134239)
08-16-2004 2:10 AM
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08-15-2004 11:41 PM


Hey, Michael! Thanks for the greeting.
I'm married to an agnostic who sired (by me) an atheist, so I'm happy to greet you here!
Tonight on the way home from visiting David's mother for her birthday, we had a long talk clarifying that I don't believe (as most Christians seem to) that belief in Jesus is the only foundation for moral and ethical thought. David and my son are two of the most moral and ethical people I know and neither have any religious beliefs. We wondered where this common misconception comes from. Any thoughts?

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Brian
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Message 9 of 71 (134250)
08-16-2004 4:22 AM
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08-16-2004 2:07 AM


Re: Hi Kam
Hi,
I wouldn't believe? I've been on the bulletin boards for about 6 years now and I have seen mental gymnastics that boggle my mind!
I take it back LOL, you must have seen a lot more than I have!
Cheers.
Brian.

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PecosGeorge
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Message 10 of 71 (134294)
08-16-2004 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by lar
08-11-2004 9:36 AM


An unconventional method of travel?
Method of transportation designed specifically for the purpose of its cargo?
That never happens.

"Let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit!"
2 Cor. 7:1

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dpardo
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Message 11 of 71 (141294)
09-09-2004 5:10 PM


Lar wrote:
"In recent discussion with a friend, a question arouse.
The Question: What was so fantastic about the story Jonah and the whale?
Any thoughts?"
The story of Jonah demonstrates God's mercy (with a wicked city called Nineveh):
"And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not."
Jonah 3:10
The story also shows the attitude of anger/resentment that people may have at the thought of God being merciful to certain people(s):
"But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry.
And he prayed unto the LORD, and said, I pray thee, O LORD, was not this my saying, when I was yet in my country? Therefore I fled before unto Tarshish: for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil."
Jonah 4:1-2
It appears that Jonah did not want the people of Nineveh to be spared.
kam1953f wrote:
"Nineveh never converted; there's just no evidence of that."
Jonah 3:10 above states that "they turned from their evil way". For how long? I don't know. It was atleast long enough to spare them from:
"...Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown."
Jonah 3:4

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boomatt
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Message 12 of 71 (184682)
02-12-2005 2:32 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Brian
08-14-2004 4:56 AM


Re: Hi Kam
Just to let you know that people have found full human skeletons inside of whales. So it can happen

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arachnophilia
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Message 13 of 71 (184691)
02-12-2005 7:45 AM
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09-09-2004 5:10 PM


"Nineveh never converted; there's just no evidence of that."
Jonah 3:10 above states that "they turned from their evil way". For how long? I don't know. It was atleast long enough to spare them from:
what he's saying is that there is no supporting evidence that nineveh ever adopted judaism.
unfortunately, the bible is just not very trusted as a history even at it's more historical (kings+chronicles). and jonah is just not history. it's a fable, with a clear moral to demonstrate. it's literature, not documentary.

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JonF
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Message 14 of 71 (184697)
02-12-2005 8:50 AM
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02-12-2005 2:32 AM


Re: Hi Kam
ust to let you know that people have found full human skeletons inside of whales. So it can happen.
Reference, please?

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boomatt
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Message 15 of 71 (184727)
02-12-2005 2:55 PM
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02-12-2005 8:50 AM


Re: Hi Kam
references: Little Talkers - The Tale of a Whale
http://www.seekerschurch.org/sermons/19980104
If you need more I can research some up. god bless

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